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Most environmental solutions are also being created in capitalist societies, and the richest countries (which by coincidence are capitalist) are the ones that are decreasing their emissions by a considerable amount.
Connecting capitalism to environmental changes is just communist propaganda, dunno if you did it willingly or not but that's about it.
Way to minimise the last 40-50 years of capitalists actively working to stop any real progress on climate change. Sure progress is being made now after they figured out it was getting bad and there was money to be made in green tech. That doesn't excuse the decades of lobbying and and actual propaganda put out by capital interests that we are all paying for now.
That you are spouting off about "communist propaganda" tells me you either grew up in the 80's and really bought the red scare line or you bought the far right propaganda telling you to be scared of 'CHI-NAH' (to quote the orange traitor).
You couldn't far wronger in this question lol
"You couldn’t far wronger in this question lol"
Sure. I couldn't "far wronger".
What a thoughtful and fact filled reply that furthers conversation.
Try making a point or defending your position if you want to be taken at all seriously.
As it stands why should anyone think you might be correct in your statements and not just dismiss you out of hand as a moron who is far wronger?
First, in the 80s I wasn't even born and if the fact I don't fall for every bull**** communist propaganda that I read in the internet makes you upset, boho I'm so sorry.
Blaming the environmental changes on capitalism it's like calling "The Radium Girls" dumb. During the latest decades they didn't know very well about the damages they were causing but if you check history, as soon as there was scientific evidence that something was causing harm, laws were passed in capitalist countries to remove it promptly. Look at the lead in petrol debacle, CBDs, the CFCs.
Also, even today there's really not a good way of replacing "dirty" technologies like jet engines. Of course, the communist countries aren't doing sh*t to solve the issue either, they're even making it worse.
Promptly on what timescale? Geological?
It's always too little too late. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be in this mess. Reality speaks for itself.
CFOs, lead on petrol were removed pretty fast considering the scale of usage being done. Lowering CO2 emissions will be much harder though since it's required to replace technologies we've been using for decades.
The fact there's so much lobbying against nuclear it's very retarded since we could've lowered emissions by a lot if were not for these people. And again, the loudest opposition isn't even capitalist, some are more leaning left and even call themselves "environmentalists".
Exxon has known the damage they were causing since at least the 80s and have spent absurd amounts of money alongside their competitors lobbying governments and paying scientists to keep the status quo. We had at least some evidence that burning fossil fuels was going to cause global warming at the turn of the 20th century.
What you're saying isn't entirely false, but it sure is bending over backwards to be nice to the capitalist societies that caused this problem. Also there aren't any communist countries causing this problem, China is every bit as capitalist as the US in how their economy functions these days, they're communist in name only. You've been influenced by capitalist propaganda friend.
Exxon's research predicting the effects on climate were in the 70s. They knew about the dangers of leaded gasoline in the 20s, but suppressed that for decades too.
Humanity caused this problem, not capitalism. It's not like commies never burn CO2 to keep things running.
Again oil companies will always protect their businesses at all costs, specially since they invested billions into exploring new oil sources. If governments are letting themselves being so influenced by lobbies, the problem isn't capitalism, it's the politicians.
Damn, you are powerfully ignorant.
The obsessive attempts to use communism like a cudgel just makes you sound like a indoctrinated tool who needs to open a book.
The red scare is over dude. And I don't know if you noticed but no one is buying your uninformed bs.
So you speak for all the people now?
You’re a bit toxic aren’t you?
Oh I'm sorry you don't like being called out when spreading misinformation. Especially when you are so unjustifiably confident in your falsehoods and unwilling to even attempt to learn the basics of what you are talking about. Misinformation is a plague and being nice to people spreading it is a disservice to everyone else. Your hurt fee fees mean less than nothing to me when you are making the world worse by spreading BS.
However If I was trying to be toxic I would say something like: Your mom and dad must be disappointed in themselves knowing that they failed so spectacularly as parents.
Good thing I didn't!
Desinformation or something you don’t agree with?
Yea, they (the capitalists) have known full well for at least two decades the damage they were causing.
Way longer, friend. They knew, covered it up, and used their power to dissuade legislators when others realized it as well.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
Try 1912. https://bigthink.com/the-present/1912-climate-change-prediction/
Holy shit you are delusional if you believe any of that. A simple google search on climate science coverup by fossil fuel companies (like Exxon, Shell, and BP) in the 70's is just a single example and it would take you almost no effort to learn. That you haven't even done the very LEAST you could to not be embarrassingly wrong, should serve to let anyone reading anything you comment on to simply dismiss your ramblings as misleading at best.
You need to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself if maybe you got this wrong since myself and MANY others have pointed out the various things you are just factually incorrect on.
I'm not holding out hope though, I am willing to bet you will just double down in your fantasy instead of facing reality. Feel free to prove me wrong, little would please me more.
There's actually a news article from the March 1912 edition of Popular Mechanics warning about how 'the furnaces of the world' are 'burning about 2,000,000,000 tons of coal a year', and how 'when this is burned, united with oxygen, it adds about 7,000,000,000 tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere yearly.' They conclude that adding 7 billion tons of CO2 per year 'make(s) the air a more effective blanket for the earth and raise its temperature' and that 'the effect may be considerable in a few centuries'. Their only mistake was underestimating how much CO2 future generations would put in the atmosphere. They estimated a few centuries for 7 billion tons of CO2. I'm wondering what they'd make of 43 billion tons.
Capitalists ignored the clear warnings from scientists about pumping CO2 into the atmosphere for over a century because it wasn't economical for them to do something about it. It was always somebody else's problem. Until it wasn't. Where do you live? New York, that has recently had some of the worst air quality in history thanks to Canadian wildfires? Or Denver, where it was our turn in April and May? Or when we got the horrible DECEMBER wildfire that burned into Boulder? Man, wildfires in fucking December. NOW it's fashionable for Capitalists to at least pretend to care about the environment, but shit, if there could be a dollar made burning down the last forest, you fucking better believe that capitalists will gleefully play a Captain Planet villain while they do just that.
Edit: A fun link: https://bigthink.com/the-present/1912-climate-change-prediction/
That dude is impervious to facts.
He wants to blame it all in Commies or some other harebrained idea.
Indeed! But it still is useful to put the lie to his nonsense, if for no other reasons than to point it out to others.
Only because those capitalists societies are offloading the work that generates those emissions on to poorer countries because it's cheaper to do it there.
Yes, the German method. We lower our emissions not by using nuclear power, but by moving our coal outside of EEA and buying it back at 5x the price!
We will be able to decrease emissions, never get them to 0. Hence maybe some CO2 extraction will be needed.
It's cheaper and most importantly they allow it. These countries want growth, they want to attract investment, have work for the people. It's a win-win relationship otherwise these countries wouldn't allow it.
I take no offense to being called a communist, even though I'm a socialist. I have a great deal of pity for the sycophants of capitalism, though, cheering their own exploitation and oppression as their masters terraform the planet to be hostile towards human life in the name of quarterly profit expectations.
Your family will be burning from the global oligarch's fine work, and you'll be blaming the invisible communists and socialists that countries like the US used military means to decimate through global destabilization the world over to further capitalist interests. The capitalists won, are fully in charge, and have captured their own regulatory bodies in most of the world. This is the world of capitalists own making. They run the show, we are living in what the capitalists would consider their utopia, where they live like modern Pharoahs as most of the species subsists to further enrich them.
We crossed that threshold years ago, man made climate alteration is a runaway train of multigenerational suffering at best, and possibly the end of human civilization for ages at worst. Have fun cursing the dirty commies when you're thirsty with no recourse 🤣
Ah yes, socialism, the ideology that kills countries but blame on the Americans.