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He's lumping progressive no voters in with Nazis right out of the gate, you will get no where talking to him.
More realistically, I think he's just betting that you can just reason down a no vote to a racist fact. IIUC the line of thinking from this video. I'm yet to hear a non-racist view of a (conservative) no vote.
The "progressive" no vote, I have some respect for, but I also don't think it's a mainstream view, nor is it actually reasonable. It expects some sort of magical thinking that not having a voice will somehow get us closer to a treaty.
Not every indigenous person needs to come to a consensus. The vast majority of community leaders have come up with a plan. Focusing on the minority of voices is really just rhetoric in place of an argument.
Allowing people to conflate all no voters with Nazis, because yes there are Nazis around, is chucking the baby out with the bath water.
The progressive no campaign absolutely has a point. Arguably a treaty has been achieved in Western Australia with the Noongar people and the world didn't implode.
https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-the-premier-and-cabinet/south-west-native-title-settlement
https://www.atns.net.au/hobbs-and-williams-on-the-noongar-settlement
There is the possibility that voting for a voice now means a treaty would lack political capital or public approval for decades to come because we already voted for a voice.
Despite what some here may claim I count myself in the progressive no camp; this won't be solved until we have treaty and merely saying that we will "get to it" in the future isn't enough.
Martin Luther King said this on white moderates and their timelines and I believe it is true here, where this referendum only reflects actions on a white moderates timetable.
To reiterate, I do have respect for the view, but you actually stated the bit I find unrealistic:
I don't think the voice is an insufficient response to delay a sufficient one, and I do know what the insufficient response looks like. The reason is: