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[-] Effort0499@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

The Soviets put their fascists into the Gulag. When are Australians doing it?

[-] Eat_Yo_Vegetables69@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're arguing against giving the first nations peoples any voice at all atm. The "colonisation was good for you savages, now you can enjoy modern technology" is said aloud by these types.

As for refugees, many are thrown into offshore 'detention centres' and suffer abuse.

With the current rhetoric in some of the more open circles, if there are more camps set up in the future, it will be minorities who will be sent there for being the enemies of their papa USA.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The whole "voice" thing even being a debate is so strange to me.

Why is there even a referendum about this? Why give people the option to say no? Would it have been ok to put slavery up to a referendum? Not that this is anywhere near as radical a step as abolishing slavery, in fact it's mostly performative/symbolic. I just don't care what the majority of a settler nation thinks on this issue. Why do white people get to decide whether indigenous people even have a "voice"?

And as i said it's not even that much of a step forward, it's just more liberal incrementalism. Indigenous people don't just need a "voice" in the settler system, they need real political power. They don't need a consultative, borderline ceremonial role through which they can express their opinion, they need their fucking land back! They need independence as a nation!

At the very least they should get a veto on all laws passed and all political appointments in the government.

[-] Denise@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Just in case not retorical, the point of the referendum is so that the voice can't just be removed at the whim of the government like previous advisory bodies. There would have to be a referendum to remove it.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It may not be able to be removed but it can still be ignored, overruled, or made irrelevant by any number of bureaucratic hurdles and chicanery thrown at it by future conservative/liberal governments.

Imo a better (non-liberal) solution would have been to construct something like the USSR's Soviet of Nationalities where all the indigenous nations would get not just a "voice" but constitutionally guaranteed representation and the ability to advance/protect indigenous interest with real influence in the legislative process, including veto powers.

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