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Zelensky, in UN showdown, says strip ‘criminal’ Russia of veto power (ptv-news.com.pk)

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[-] Duplodicus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Russia took on all the debts and obligations if the USSR so they got the seat.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago

Good thing we already have a precedent to change what state the UN recognizes as representative of a country without going through the security council then.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

They got the seat because they said they did, and no one challenged it:

Boris Yeltsin, the Russian President, informed the United Nations Secretary-General that the membership of the Soviet Union in the Security Council and all other UN organs would be continued by the Russian Federation with the support of the 11 member countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

The UN could kick them off the Security Council if they want. They are not the same country and they are not contributing to world security. This their membership on the Security Council is tenuous.

Russia is breaking current rules that outline which wars are legal and which are not. Wars of aggression are illegal. Even Putin agrees with me. Here's Putin's opinion on war and the UN:

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, said on 19 December 2003 that "The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council's sanction cannot be recognized as fair or justified."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

[-] Duplodicus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Those 11 nations consented to them taking on that role. Realistically no one else could have afforded taking responsibility for debts or maintenance of the nuke stockpile.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Those are not qualifications for world leadership. Even if they were, Putin has not met his own qualifications for a legal war. Since he and his country are engaged in an illegal war, they should be removed from the Security Council.

[-] Duplodicus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

They are qualifications for taking over the position of the USSR which member nations approved of at the time.

Under the illegal war logic most permanent members of the security council should be renoved.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

None of the other Security Council members have both problems though. You do not get to be a leader based on a technicality. You have to display leadership.

Russia can't even lead their own troops in their own country. They just had unfriendly tanks outside Moscow and Putin had to run away. How can they claim international leadership?