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After an incident where an 11 year old boy was murdered, the governor of New Mexico banned open and concealed carry gun laws in New Mexico for 30 days. Right after the trauma. And just for 30 days. No one had to rip their heart out in public to be heard. The governor of New Mexico preemptively heard them and did something.
And you know what happened?
Everyone wedded to the availability of guns and their use came out to oppose it. As far as they're concerned, the leading cause of death for children can be firearms, firearms suicides can reach all-time highs, and the very population that seems to want guns around the most can kill themselves the most. It's all fine.
The magnitude of needless harm is inconsequential to just having a gun nearby. And they don't care if you, your whole family, or anyone dies because of it. They need their guns.
Non-American here.
Have you tried giving free guns to minorities? I seem to remember people suddenly change their minds on gun control when the Black Panthers armed themselves in California.
American here.
I'm all for minorities and other groups struggling for equality arming themselves. It is a lot harder for the government to stomp on your rights when they have to worry about you fighting back.
It wasn't that long ago the government used airplanes to bomb its own citizens...
Until America addresses it's police problem, which I propose stems from an ongoing inequality problem, the American public needs a way to defend itself.
I think that’s not a reasonable argument, though. If you kill a cop, you will likely not survive it. You will likely not be arrested. If you manage to flee the scene, you will be hunted down with the cooperation of law enforcement from around the country. Right there in New Mexico, they just had a situation with a guy who answered his door with a gun and got blown away, cowboy style, by the cops who knocked on the wrong door. And it’s being considered a justified shooting. And the guys son happens to be a NM cop, iirc. People buy guns to protect themselves from other people who bought guns, not from the government.
Funny enough, the majority of people in minority groups are for gun control. Makes sense since, after all, they live with the consequences of letting any dumbass on the street to own one.
Why do think minor drug possession is a felony and police over-patrol minority areas, they aim to make all minorities felons and keep them either in prison or unable to legally obtain firearms
The frustrating thing is the open carry ban would have had ZERO impact on that shooting:
https://www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-metro/family-friends-remember-11-year-old-shot-killed-while-leaving-isotopes-park/
"The young boy was shot and killed in a suspected road rage shooting last Wednesday near Isotopes Park. Police said someone in a Dodge Durango fired 17 shots at the car he was in when leaving the game, killing Froylan and wounding his 24-year-old cousin, Tatiana.
“The vehicle just pulled up on the side of them and started shooting,” Amaro said.
All of it happened with Froylan’s mother and baby brother in the back seat."
You could ban open carry, you could ban concealed carry, that would not have stopped that shooting.
There really isn't a way to know how it could have been prevented until we know who the shooter is.
Kind of pointless to pick a single particular time and argue that something would or would not have stopped it without any actual data.
If guns were less prevalent and harder to get would it cause there to be less gun fatalities?
If you are harder on people committing gun crimes would there be less gun fatalities?
If it were illegal to carry large amounts of amnition around with you, would there be less gun fatalities?
If it were illegal to carry around lots of weapons without being in a well-regulated militia, hence where police or other people would see you and go in that person's probably up to no good, would that cause there to be less gun fidelities?
Those statements have a lot more deciding power behind them whether they're right or wrong are you agree or disagree They actually mean something.
If some kid rolls up and does a school shooting do we hold their families responsible? You lived with that guy, prove reasonable doubt that you didn't see it happening and not report it.
But this one time it band camp crap doesn't prove or disprove anything it doesn't say anything about the general working of gun laws on population.
Agreed, but I'm not the one citing it as an example of why the state needed an open carry ban. Fact of the matter is it was a driveby shooting, not a case of someone open carrying shooting.
Sure, but that can't happen because of the 2nd amendment. It's a non-starter.
Not really, no. Mass shootings end in either suicide, life in prison, or the death penalty. Hasn't stopped them.
Nope, because there's no danger in carrying ammo.
That's not what the founders meant by "well regulated militia".
https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html
"Further, the Court found that the phrase “well regulated Militia” referred not to formally organized state or federal militias, but to the pool of able-bodied men who were available for conscription.15"
In the case of the Crumbleys? Yes.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-michigan-high-school-shooter-ethan-crumbley-trial/story?id=98072544
We don't care the least about what the founders meant. Both parties consistently reinterpret the words to mean whatever Will keep them in power.
The things I wrote aren't yes or no things they're measures. They need to be investigated, studied, they need to be tried they need to see what effect the actually have. There's a significant amount of pushback from gun rights advocates to not study those type of things for fear that some of them might actually work. And if you ask them why they say well they might not study it correctly they might just come up with whatever result they actually want to happen.
It's pretty common for people who are anti-gun law to simply say this won't work, that won't work, it's a pretty low barrier to entry argument. I don't have any data but I don't like the outcome so I'm just going to say it won't work and that's the whole argument
I would give my personal guarantee that implementing those would have an effect, the question is would any of them have enough of an effect to make it worth it. Hell, we've had police on site during shootings and they haven't done a damn thing about what was going on. You don't need any more indication than someone walking through a school shooting kids to know that they don't need to be in there and need to be stopped.
They can't be implemented because the Supreme Court has already made multiple key rulings o the topic since 2008 and have a few more in their case load for this year and next. It's not going to get better, it will only get worse from here on out.
That used to be the case. But since they recently overturned Row v Wade, nothing is off the table anymore.
Agreed nothing is off the table, but the court has only turned more conservative, not less. So turnimg it back around may take another 50 years or more.
I’m honestly fine with guns being used to commit suicide but I draw the line at being used on anyone else.
Ya, it's ok for people with mental disorders or extreme stress to have tools to readily available to kill themselves, in what is no doubt an informed, rational decision.
It’s my life partner, I don’t care if it’s, irrational, selfish, destruction of government property, etc.
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Hmmm, I like this.