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Zelensky, in UN showdown, says strip ‘criminal’ Russia of veto power (ptv-news.com.pk)
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[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

I dunno how they're gonna go about that considering Russia could just veto that attempt to strip them lol and citing PRCs permanent security councils seat is just silly.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Because that is not Russia's seat. It's the Soviet Union's seat. They left the Soviet Union in 1990. In fact, Ukraine left after them, so they have a better claim to the UN seat.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because that is not Russia’s seat.

It is.

It’s the Soviet Union’s seat.

And the Russian Federation (formerly the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic) is the legal successor to the Soviet Union.

They left the Soviet Union in 1990.

The Russian SFSR never "left" or "declared independence from" the Soviet Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_the_Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic

they have a better claim to the UN seat.

The UN disagrees, sorry.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

Of course they declared independence. They're no longer part of it.

Russia left the USSR on June 12 1990 and declared independence on December 12 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

The CIS replaced the USSR. Russia was only one of the signatories. They are not the only successor entity.

The Belovezha Accords were signed on 8 December by President Boris Yeltsin of Russia, President Kravchuk of Ukraine, and Chairman Shushkevich of Belarus, recognizing each other's independence and creating the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) to replace the Soviet Union.

Because of this war, they've lost their legitimacy and can no longer credibly lead the world.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Of course they declared independence.

So you should be able to show me this alleged declaration of independence, right?

Because of this war, they’ve lost their legitimacy and can no longer credibly lead the world.

According to whom, you?

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

For both dates:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_the_Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic

The Declaration was adopted by the First Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian SFSR on 12 June 1990. It proclaimed the sovereignty of the Russian SFSR and the intention to establish a democratic constitutional state within a liberalized Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belovezha_Accords

The main obligations of the parties to the Agreement, ratified by all former Soviet republics except Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, includes the following:

  1. The end of the existence of the USSR, with the "setting up of lawfully constituted democratic… independent states… on the basis of mutual recognition of and respect for State sovereignty".

Clear enough for you? The CIS is the successor to the USSR, not Russia.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It proclaimed the sovereignty of the Russian SFSR and the intention to establish a democratic constitutional state within a liberalized Soviet Union.

within a liberalized Soviet Union

So they didn't declare "independence" from the USSR like the other republics, thanks for making my point for me.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Correct, not until the second document they signed in 1991 and agreed that the Soviet Union was dissolved and the CIS was its successor. Not Russia.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CIS was its successor

Where is this written? Can you give me a direct quote instead of pretending that your interpretation of the documents (which goes against the interpretation by all CIS parties and the United Nations at the time) is correct?

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