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[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Vader wasn’t originally planned to be Luke’s dad. One of the producers came up with it halfway through Empire.

Part of being Sith is fucking over others, even those you are “allied” with. The way to become second in command is to kill the current second in command. Tarkin is at the point in his career where killing Vader would probably be a good move if he could manage it.

[-] xpinchx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Wasn't Vader being his dad hinted at in a new hope when Luke talks to obi wan?

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

'Vater' is father in German. Make of that what you want.

[-] Maestro@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

And "vader" is father in Dutch 😊

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

It matches sith naming scheme better, it was probably supposed to be inVader just like how Sidious is inSidious.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Original draft of Empire by Leigh Brackett had Luke meet a force ghost of his dad. Obi Wan pretty clearly says in the original that Vader killed Luke’s father, which you can certainly claim he was being metaphorical, but I’ve never really gotten that vibe. Luke and Leia are also infamously handsy. I suggest hunting down VHS rips of the originals to see what you think. It’s a shame we’ll never get the unaltered versions in HD.

George Lucas claims it was always his plan, but he also has waffled on so many things (was it always planned to be 6 movies? Or 9? Or just a one and done?) One aspect is that he did have just a shit ton of random, unhinged ideas that never made it in.

[-] xpinchx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah I took it as the metaphorical approach, that was my take with my first exposure being the VHS tapes from the 90's.

Lucas always seemed a bit out there

[-] Fogle@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Darth father....

[-] Gyrolemmy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of late addition scenes to the versions of a new hope that have played over the last couple decades.

I tried to look that up, but the dialogue changes are so numerous they don't list them.

[-] MudMan@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Doesn't matter, really.

Because the most inconsistent thing in that scene ends up being Obi Wan choosing from the entire prequel canon the idea that Anakin was "the best pilot in the galaxy".

Seriously, he tells him that:

  • his dad was a good pilot.
  • his dad was a cunning warrior and a good friend
  • his dad wanted him to have his lightsaber when he was old enough.

It's not just that the facts of the conversation are wrong, it's that the tone of the conversation is entirely off for what ended up being canon, even before the prequels, but DEFINITELY after the prequels.

People latch on to the "Vader" thing, and who's to say, but it's absolutely clear watching it that the backstory they hint either makes no sense, is different than what they ended up doing, or both.

[-] argentcorvid@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

There's also the whole Vader being really close to German/Yiddish Vater = Father thing.

[-] Zak8022@artemis.camp 6 points 1 year ago

You’re not wrong, but what points you to Tarkin being a Sith?

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I don’t think Tarkin has to be a Sith - more that he’s a smart cookie and knows how the politics work. He knows that if he could find some way to take down Vader, it would make him look more powerful/valuable in Palpatine’s eyes.

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

But tarkin isn't force sensitive. He may be able to kill Vader through political manipulation or something, but he could simply never beat him in a fight. And that's kindve important for rule of 2.

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