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Magazine size laws aren't really effective at doing anything. Up in Canada you can't have a rifle magazine with more than 5 rounds. However, almost all of the magazines are full size magazines that have been modified to hold fewer rounds. All of the responsible owners leave them at 5, but with a minute or two of work you could turn most of them into full size again. We don't have mass shootings every day.
Gun violence in America is a culture issue. You're broken.
A magazine is literally just a box of certain geometry with a spring inside it. They can be 3D printed or made by hand. No government anywhere can stop the signal. Instead we need to focus on the cultural rot that made narcissists decide it was OK to assault random strangers.
thank you!! this country has a narcissism problem. the hyper-focus on individuality and celebrities not only encourages it, but celebrates it. lots of people look up to narcissistic psychopaths as if being a ruthless egotistical asshole is something to strive for.
i knew a guy that had one poster up, and it was of Tony Montana from Scarface. he would show it off to people as if he were unaware he was indirectly telling everyone that he was an asshole. the guy i knew looked up to a machiavellian drug dealer that easily murdered anyone that got in his way of wealth and power, despite that Tony had a horrible relationship with his wife, was paranoid, and ended up dying from his own shit behaviors.
i knew a girl with a social circle that was all about social media likes. her and her best friend went to Hawaii to take pictures to post on instagram and facebook. i mean, they spent thousands of dollars and planned their days out in Hawaii around going to scenic places so they could waste hours taking and retaking 100s of pictures to post a few of the best ones. these girls had terrible relationships characterized by antagonism and competition. they would hit on each other's boyfriends and cheat on their own, then get surprisingly upset if anyone else did a 1/10 of what they did to their so-called friends and boyfriends. it was disgusting how they treated each other. even their own individual mentality was marred by these delusions of grandiosity and entitlement that weren't rooted in rationality or care for others.
whenever i visit other countries, i'm refreshed by the humanity of people there. i think it's one of the reasons i like traveling so much. i just cannot deal with the narcissism here. it's exhausting and alienating. anyone have any tips on how to remedy these feelings i get?
One of the hillbillies I know have a fully automatic M14 with a 20 round magazine from the Korean War. It was a pleasure to fire that thing.
Is the magazine size restrictions the only difference between the gun laws of America and Canada?
The most effective part of our gun laws is preventing violent offenders from obtaining a license (and maybe having a license to start with, I guess).
Beyond that, almost every other part of our laws are a ridiculous dog and pony show meant to appease some group or other in some way that's usually completely ineffective.
Exactly, it's very hard to respect the anti gun crowd when they focus on banning things that don't even matter beyond comfort or aesthetics. It's just all feel good bs that does nothing but hinder the average joe
Do you know why it's hard to respect the pro-gun crowd?
Because when a legal gun owner in Ulvade used a legally purchased gun to mutilate a room full of children beyond recognition and the entire world asked "What can we change to stop this from happening?", do you know what their pro-gun community replied?
"I don't know, maybe something to do with doors or mental health. All I know is that the gun laws in Texas are brilliant, if not too strict. There is nothing I would have changed and selling guns to someone with a history of rape threats and animal abuse is exactly what the founding fathers wanted".
But yeah sorry we don't know the intricacies of your little trinkets.
If you actually cared as much as you act like you do, you would educate yourself about these "little trinkets".
Exactly. They act like they know everything and ignore when you try to educate them. Banning any feature of a gun isn't going to matter, nothing short of a full on ban is going to put a dent in shootings and that's just not going to happen without civil war.
Arguably addressing root issues would have profound effect... though I tend to agree it won't happen without civil war, given the current state of partisan politics and waves vaguely at this post
it's very hard to respect the anti-gun crowd? because they focus on banning things that don't matter?
like focusing on red flag laws so nutbags don't buy rifles, abusive fucks don't keep their handguns? yeah none of that matters. you fuckwit.
it's impossible to have any respect for the pro-dead-children crowd. you cretins deserve so much worse.
They want due process to have their personal property taken from them? Man. That’s just crazy!
Oh come on. Literally nobody is pro firearms for domestic abusers, let’s get off that straw man.
The justice system in this country is, and always has been, built on the premise that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
This isn’t merely important for guns. It’s important for every aspect of criminal justice.
mass murder after mass murder after mass murder and you're just fine with things how they are.
You seem to be making quite the set of assumptions.
Those of us in favor of firearm ownership do actively want change - but you might be surprised to hear we want changes which actually address underlying issues rather than nonsense about magazine capacities and scary black rifle.
Cool. No one cares.
Did you have a point anywhere in that rant and hyperbole?
Ah, very rational.
It might surprise you to learn I'm quite the proponent of actually addressing underlying issues rather than clutching pearls about sCaRy bLaCk RiFLes.
You'll note this is the second time I've provided such an analysis - it seems you didn't bother to actually check before violently abusing your keyboard.
Your bullshit link doesn't do shit to reduce the number of firearms, bolo. You still can't recognize there's a math problem here and clutch to your premise even though it's flawed. Gonna block you now, because you're dumber than dogshit and genuinely aren't interested in stopping kids from getting murdered.
Unfortunately, only one of us is serious about addressing the issue - you only care about the tool used.
If someone has a nuclear warhead in their personal possession, I want the government to take it from them as well.
Nobody needs a gun, and if you do to feel safe you must accept you live in a shithole country.
Yeah, as a leftist who likes guns for fun, survival, self defense, and theoretical political unrest... I still think it's ridiculous we don't have gun licenses in the US. Or a gun ownership registry.
Bans restrict freedom for everyone.
License and registration lets you maintain that freedom for most, but still restrict it where necessary (e.g. crime, mental health), and more easily track and punish those who misuse firearms.
What particular laws have been "completely ineffective"? How are you measuring that efficiency, if not by comparing to countries without them?
We get it, gun owners get salty because they're not allowed all the toys they want. Their natural state is "tantrum" from America to Canada to Australia to the UK.
But that's too bad for them. While they may decided that increased risk of people being murdered is fine because they don't think it will be their family, those countries have decided that their hurt feelings aren't as important as other people's lives.
And oh look, they're way better places to send you kids to school or walk around at night. Who'd have fucking known?
No. Canada has a whole host of prohibitions, and restrictions. The sale and transfer of handguns was recently made illegal (source), in 2020, 1500 models of what the Canadian government deemed to be an "Assault Rifle" were banned (source), Canada has extreme restrictions on the transportation of "Restricted Firearms" (handguns are an example of this) in that, to be able to transport them, you must obtain an "Authorization to transport", to be able to carry a "Restricted", or "Prohibited" firearm, one must obtain an "Authorization to Carry" (unless, possibly, it is for wilderness protection (source)), and, as outlined in the Canadian Criminal Code, and the Firearms Act, there are also many restrictions on the general transport, handling, storage, display, and transfer of firearms. Not to mention that in addition to all of this, as outlined in the Firearms Act, every firearm owner must be licensed for the use of "non-restricted" firearms (Possession and Acquisition License, PAL), and "restricted" firearms (Restricted Possession and Acquisition License, RPAL), respectively. The acquisition of each of these licenses requires a 1 day course, the successful passing of both a practical, and written exam, and a background check performed by the RCMP. After filling out, and submitting one's application, the prospective firearm owner's application, as mandated by legislation, will sit idle with the RCMP for a 28-day cooldown period. Only after that cooldown period has completed will they begin to process one's application, which can then take much longer depending on the speed of the government at any given time.
I can provide no guarantee that this list is exhaustive.
In addition to this, there is no limitation on the magazine size for rimfire longuns in Canada.
It's less a culture issue and more a safety nets issue - one we need to do much to improve upon.
I'd love to see your source for such positions, especially regarding the magnitude of improvement expected and the justification for such.
We already have extensive background checks for nearly every firearm purchase. I've yet to see support for the notion that any meaningful percentage of firearm violence is committed by those who legally purchased a firearm but somehow bypassed a background check.
Similarly, I've yet to see any support for the notion that legally requiring safe storage - constitutional violation concerns aside - would make any meaningful improvement. This, at least, one could do much to promote without adding restrictions - I've yet to see any blue team support for, say, subsiding safes.
And similarly, there's no blue team support for subsided, equitable, shall-issue training and licensing - and a lack of indication it would make a difference.
Oh? Who are those people? How would you objectively identify such?
Ironically, you highlight the reason such a highlight is raised - you do nothing at all about the underlying issue (violence and the pressures for it) and, instead, focus only on the fact firearms are a tool used; tacking on more restrictions which create additional burden for those already doing nothing wrong yet are unlikely to meaningfully impact the crime is absurd. You ignore that the current laws and proposed laws continue to ignore the problems.
"Common sense" is such a laughably disingenuous phase here. It implies the solutions are obvious and intuitive yet the solutions proposed do nothing for the issue at all beyond setting the stage for fire and fury when such measures are rightly resisted.
You are right that there are a few simple things we can do to meaningfully impact things... but you might be surprised as to what they are.
I agree with all of this. I think almost all of Canada's gun control laws are sensible. We have sensible laws about transport, storage, safety training, and other things. Magazine size and banning weapons that look scary is not effective though.
No u
Gun deaths in Canada isn't exactly in a good place, it's just way better than the US.
It's also mostly a problem caused by guns smuggled in from the US, where it's far too easy for people with bad intentions to get guns.
Yeah, 85% of traceable guns used for crime came from the US. Our asshole neighbours refusal to get their shit together is killing Canadians because they consider their right to kill black people knocking at their door to outweigh the good of everyone else.
And then if we criticize them, they'll tell us to mind our own business, as if it's a harmless hobby that doesn't hurt anyone else.
Yeah, I know, I'm being a little over the top in this comment, but all I can do is air frustrations. Guns are like every other issue conservatives care about. You'll never change their mind. The US is too many school shootings in to admit they have a problem.
Lmao are you really shifting blame from the Canadian criminal to the American gun? You really believe the criminal wouldn't have committed the crime without a gun? Like above nothing short of a total ban will impact crime, and that's not going to happen for a few reasons. We are all frustrated from crazies killing people but the solution isn't in the guns, we need to treat the person.
Also you seem a bit brain washed thinking gun owners just want to kill black people. Maybe you should think hard about that line and who gains from you believing that.
Hold up. Canada's failure to manage its borders is our issue? This, even aside from how you apparently only care that crime was committed with those darn American handguns rather than that crime was committed. Aren't you supposed to be the country doing better?
Also, what's this about right to kill black people? Is this more Works Cited: Crack Pipe nonsense?
When either party is willing to actually address underlying issues, feel free to revisit that high horse.
Our system works as intended. Sorry you don't like our Freedums!
You have zero freedom.
I do pretty much whatever the fuck I want every day in the USA. I love the freedom I have here, but it's a lot better when you're not poor. I've had it both ways and the freedom definitely scales with dollar count.
For one to be able to utter such words openly is evidence that one enjoys the existence of non-zero amounts of freedom 😉 one must not be complacent in their good-fortune to be born into a society with such freedoms. There are many places in the world with no such guarantees.