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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Garland would have to care and treats him and other Republicans with kid gloves. The kid whom leaked documents was insta-prison. Yet Trump sold out the entire country and the DOJ is Zz z.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

Yeah Snowden is still hiding out in countries that don’t extradite to us. Manning is free, but it’s pretty clear that her time in prison had serious lasting damage to her mind. Both of them had good reasons to leak and did their best to minimize unnecessary damage. Meanwhile this chucklefuck is campaigning and threatening.

If democracy dies it will be because we punished those who broke the rules to strengthen it and defended those who broke the rules to destroy it.

[-] ericisshort@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

That last sentence is so true that it’s chilling.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

If democracy dies it will be because we punished those who broke the rules to strengthen it and defended those who broke the rules to destroy it.

What a bar. We need to get this on a mountain or something.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Playing devils advocate here, Trump has a history of wriggling out of what looked like slam dunk cases against him, and being an ex-president comes with truck loads of political baggage, so the DOJ might just be playing things extra-careful. It would make sense for them to double and triple check everything, dot all their i's and cross all their t's, and make sure everything is as utterly airtight as they can make it. The real danger is that they don't go so slow that the whole thing becomes moot because they took so long that Trump managed to make himself dictator in chief.

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It would make sense for them to double and triple check everything, dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s, and make sure everything is as utterly airtight as they can make it.

absolutely. and he got impeached twice, so he's been playing safe.

The president also is ultimately the head of the "Departments" to include the Dept of Defense. All of the clearances and document classifications exist via presidential authority, so there are some genuine questions as to if a President can snap his fingers and change a classification, and how those rules interact with other laws about unauthorized disclosures. Which is also why Trump getting elected was such a coup for the Russians, as was a strongly Republican Supreme Court (who could bail him out if/when it gets to SCOTUS).

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Imagine how the intelligence community would have to treat classified information if it could be declassified purely by a President waking up and thinking "it's declassified." Nobody would know what is still classified and what isn't. Classified information might get leaked out because of a rumor that the President declassified something. Declassified information might still be treated as classified by some because nobody knows what is and what isn't classified.

There's a process for a reason. Trump suggesting he can just "think" it declassified is totally ridiculous.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm not defending him, but it much more complicated with a former president and presidential candidate than it is for others. There shouldn't be two systems, but realistically one could result in civil war and the other is little more than a couple of extra clicks on a website for most people.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

My god, if some liberals had their way, rushed this, we'd lose this one. And this is a fight America cannot afford to lose.

I don't want to sound like a drama queen, but I see the signs of PTSD in myself after the pandemic and 01/06. Let's just say I have plenty of life experience, 52-years of an, uh, adventurous life, that maybe should have put a touch of PTSD on me. But those two things permanently fucked my skull.

I've waited for justice this long, I can wait some more. The scariest proposition is that he wins the White House and attempts to pardon himself. That would be a constitutional crisis the likes of which I've never seen. And people thought Watergate was such a crisis...

A lot of those charges are state charges, which as far as I know aren’t pardonable by anyone but the governors (in most cases).

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