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Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly (twitter.com)
submitted 2 years ago by Carighan@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world
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If I'm honest, I don't disagree.

I would love for Steam to have **actual competition. Which is difficult, sure, but you could run a slightly less feature-rich store, take less of a cut, and pass the reduction fully on to consumers and you'd be an easy choice for many gamers.

But that's not what Epic is after. They tried to go hard after the sellers, figuring that if they can corner enough fo the market with exclusives the buyers will have to come. But they underestimated that even their nigh-infinite coffers struggle to keep up with the raw amount of games releasing, and also the unpredictability of the indie market where you can't really know what to buy as an exclusive.
Nevermind that buying one is a good way to make it forgotten.

So yeah, fully agreed. Compared to Epic, I vastly prefer Steam's 30% cut. As the consumer I pay the same anyways, and Steam offers lots of stuff for it like forums, a client that boots before the heat death of the universe, in-house streaming, library sharing, cloud sync that sometimes works.

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I think you got the whole thing mixed up. Sure Valve takes a huge cut, but if game does poorly Valve earns less as well. So there's an incentive from both parties to make sure game succeeds. But in the end Valve makes sure you as a consumer get your money's worth, hence why they even added no questions asked refund policy. Policy which has resulted in more purchases than before, because risk of not liking the game is non-existent now.

Epic on the other hand is forcing users to buy into their ecosystem by way of exclusives. Developers use this to make sure project succeeds even if it's not good. That is to say they get the money regardless. But this model is not sustainable as Epic has to earn money at some point so number of exclusives will be lower and lower. At the same time they are encouraging developers to not try as hard to polish the game since they get the money regardless.

Fundamentally approaches are completely different and Steam's approach can't fail because they cater to customer while Epic is just trying to force people away while offering subpar service. And whoever holds the money holds the power.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's a really fascinating market dynamic. Steam is good to consumers, generally speaking, and offers features to that end. Family sharing is the wildest thing imaginable, since it's formally letting customers share one purchase instead of each making one for two purchases. Their refund policy too is really, really nice.

Valve has effectively chosen to be more enticing to the end user than to the seller. They've gathered up so many buyers that it's foolish for sellers to not set up a shop there. A 30% cut of revenue is hefty, but like you said, that sets up a dynamic where both want the game to succeed. I suspect paying a monthly fee to remain listed on steam would end up worse for everyone.

Gaben is one hell of a mastermind.

[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Indeed. And it's a system where everyone benefits. As opposed to currently popular philosophy of "milk it while you can" from big publishers.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's a healthy dynamic which could be better, but it being healthy for everyone is what keeps it afloat

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Subpar is being generous.

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