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Meanwhile China is building two new coal power plants per week.
...and decreasing the utilisation of their coal fleet to the point where their coal consumption for electricity is flat and set to start decreasing next year.
https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/global-electricity-review-2023/#chapter-6-country-and-region-deep-dives-china
And their renewable energy share is higher than the US (and most of the world) and increasing faster.
Stop whatabouting and fix your own shit.
Seems hard, no thanks.
China's also building a lot of nuclear plants and what they claim will be the biggest nuclear plant in the world.
Not that it negates building coal plants, but it's not a simple issue. They're growing faster than the energy industry can keep up with.
And like others have said, the rest of the world is at fault too. Germany shut down all of its nuclear plants, which forced them to go heavy into coal. And not just any coal, but lignite which is considered the dirtiest of all types of coal.
Germany in particular pisses me off so much. No country bought into the fear mongering about nuclear energy after Fukushima as much as Germany did. Shutting down nuclear power plants in the face of climate change is so incredibly irresponsible. For all of their faults, I give a lot of credit to the US and France for not shying away from using nuclear energy.
cough Italy cough
Ugh, I knew a lot of other European countries overreacted to Fukushima, but I hadn't heard much about Italy specifically. Sounds like they didn't have as much nuclear energy to start with (unlike Germany), but they had big plans to increase their usage of nuclear energy to around a quarter of their energy grid until they halted it all in response to Fukushima. The Wikipedia page about it is tragic.
Germany bought the fear mongering BEFORE Chernobyl (which of course accelerated it). Also their "green" party was founded on the goal of getting rid of nuclear in the 90s. Real Engineering on Youtube has a great video on this whole thing
That's a weird way of spelling wind and solar
https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&chartColumnSorting=default&interval=quarter&year=-1
Looks like coal has increased from 2021 to 2022 as nuclear decreased.
Nothing else happened at all in 2022 that could explain this, and it is definitely the trend. /s
How fucking stupid do you think people are?
It was your source man. Don't get mad at me that it shows the opposite of what you claimed.
If they had nuclear... They wouldn't be falling back on coal. 🙄
That's a weird way of spelling "if the far right hadn't gutted energywende coal would be decreasi g even faster"
"That's a weird way of spelling..." It's like you took a course on being annoying.
If they had nuclear capacity they could use that instead of coal yes?
Does Chinese inaction absolve all responsibility of the West?
Classic whataboutism
Who’s engaging in whataboutism?
...of course it doesn't? Like what kinda point is that?
Unless you're Chinese, there's very little you can do to stop that, as opposed to encouraging your country's politicians who have proven commitment to curb climate change.
So "China builds 5 coal plants every day before breakfast" is the whataboutism here.
China produces a lot of stuff. The whole capitalist consumer drive force is world wide. Not sure what you expect to be able to do though.
The point is that this poster is a WuMao and will say anything to try and support the Chinese government. Sad that they have wormed their way in here already.
I am not WuMao. I simply don’t appreciate useless finger pointing and implied righteousness to justify doing nothing just because some other country isn’t doing what they can either.
We’re all watching the world burn and this finger pointing is doing little else but assure a very painful future.
But this user isn't diverting attention from an American policy or whatever. The original post was on how we have the hottest days so far and they rightly pointed out that a government was building lots of coal plants in that context. Others have chimed in and said that the government also is investigating in renewable, though I question if that makes building coal plants okay.
None of this is whataboutism. No one is above criticism or scrutiny.
What I see is directing attention at China as a polluter and placing effectively sole blame on them.
I feel like my point stands and it’s a perfect example of strongly implied whataboutism.
Sounds like a "you" problem then. No nation should be expanding coal burning.
Well, Australia is selling them all the coal.
National pride ✨
But I wanna blame China.
Same same same. It’s all their fault for manufacturing all of our shit and still having half of the CO2 emissions per capita compared to the US.
We're paying them to produce this pollution.
A total of 106 GW of new coal power projects were permitted, the equivalent of two large coal power plants per week .
The size of coal-fired power generating units varies widely; the actual number of permitted units was 168 at 82 different plant sites.
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