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this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2023
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Personally, I don't believe that POV is fair. As someone who, with a small group of friends, started a sub that has grown to 100k people and is the most active internet community for a niche gaming segment - i personally think it's not that easy to judge. I have not been active on my sub in years, and I leave the job up to the new guard, but I can completely respect the decision to want to keep something you invested in building alive and a positive influence in the area it affects. It's easy to armchair QB stuff like this and judge others decisions, but to just generalize and say "better to die than to think something else is better in the bigger picture" is a bit of a cop out imo.
It's easy to judge for anyone with principles. I would have officially moved the community before shutting down the reddit community or being forcibly removed from it.
Anyone that feigned outrage or protest that stays is a hypocrite.
hard disagree. This isn't black and white, you can do some of both and that is not wrong or unprincipled. Thinking otherwise is just simple minded.
I’d say it’s actually a fairly black and white situation considering continuing to use Reddit is proving spez exactly right while adding more free value to them for their IPO.
I would do everything in my power to move over to a different community and not give them another click ever again that they can try and monetize. I’d understand if these were paid positions but they’re not, there’s no reason to stay. If the communities end up going poorly afterward that is on Reddit and what they deserve.
I mean, you're not countering anything. Explain the nuance and how you maintain those principles that contradict each other and are not an absolute fucking hypocrite then.
Because if you're a mod and you say, I don't really care that much about this issue, my sub is going to keep running. Cool, that checks out logically. If you say, I really care about this issue, I'm going to protest it, but not with any real consequences. Then you are a fucking bitch. You'd rather be subservient to a company that doesn't respect mods or it's users than give up any bit of power or work established while simultaneously pretending to care as long as it doesn't impact you then you're a hypocritical bitch.
That depends on the principles. And it is at least unkind to implicate he doesn't have any. Both of you are making valid arguments, even if they are mutually exclusive. Also, both of you fail to see this from another perspective. It's like you're looking at a dice from two sides and argue about which numbers are visible. Sometimes it helps to turn things around and look at them from different angles. I'd bet it would at least improve the tone of this conversation.
I understand that moving a community here would be difficult, and you're going to lose users over it. But, it's not impossible, many other subs have done it... so if his position is that he is not willing to roll up his sleeves to do that work, then he can't simultaneously bang on the drum that he really cares about this issue.