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Eight and a half years for the senseless murder of one of our society's most vulnerable citizens.
Legally speaking you'd have a hard time prosecuting that as murder. You'd have to prove that she was intending for the old lady to die when she shoved her. I'm guessing she was charged with some combination of second degree assault and manslaughter, maybe more. She was facing up to 25 years and took a plea deal for 8, which I assume included part of the charges being dropped.
Do you always get unreasonably angry when knowledgeable people correct you about things you're ignorant of?
I expected more maturity out of pp boy.
Why lmao literally all I do is shitpost on this account and engage in bad faith arguments
Well, enjoy your ban then.
Have you tried... I don't know maybe not doing that?
Nearly 10 years is a long ass time to be in jail for a random angry act.
A random angry act is knocking a sign over, kicking a garbage can, punching a wall. NOT killing someone
Its wild how some people ignore it is a murder. They can't imagine what if the person dying is their grandma ?
I also wonder if it is ageism and their opinion would change if the person dying is a toddler.
I mean, it's kind of the risk you take being drunk in public, you have no idea what you are going to do other than be held accountable for it when you are sober afterwards. It's kind of insane that it is seen as "normal" to take that kind of risk, for alot of people it's a surprisingly common occurrence.
Bro when I get drunk I wanna cuddle things, not shove elderly people. If "am I gonna murder someone if I go out drinking" is something you have to consider, the problem is you, not the alcohol.
It sounds like you probably aren't the "people taking risk" that I am referring to.
Not as long as that person is going to be dead.
If you can't control your anger and you attack random people on the street, you belong behind bars.
"A random angry act" lmao fuck outta here downplaying homicide
There's a big ass difference between international murder and an angry lash out killing someone. At 87 you're going to die from stuff that a random angry drunk won't consider.
So it’s mostly her own fault for being 87 and in public?
No dumbass, murder has to be premeditated and/or intentional.
Shoving someone out of your way/down doesn’t imply that you intended for them to actually die. And it’s pretty hard to prove that you did in court.
Manslaughter - the unintentional act of killing someone through irresponsible or negligent actions - is a fucking slam dunk here. You want this sour bitch to walk free because the prosecution couldn’t get a conviction, because laws are written more specifically than the few words you learned in school?
Go away. Adults are having a conversation, sweetie
IANAL but in American law, second degree murder can be intentional without being premeditated. For example, a bar fight that ends in someone dying. There is also voluntary and involuntary manslaughter (in the later, the person does not intend to kill the victim). Different states define the different degrees and types differently.
Oh honey. Is there some grass you could touch? I think that might help.
Just make sure there aren’t any elderly people in your way to get there.
Yeah, there's a lot of fantasy-world takes here in lemmy.
Sometimes it's nice, and sometimes it's yikes.
This is one of those yikes times where we're actually defending a drunk girl killing an old lady for no reason.
Ahh well, I don't expect more from the chronically mentally ill.