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Keeping opiates illegal just causes the exact problems you're discussing with the other substances, if not more. Opiates are addictive and potentially dangerous yes. So are most drugs, even the ones you mentioned. Yes it could be argued psychedelics are less harmful, there's no real risk of overdose and minimal risk of addiction. I'd also rather live in a world where those are legalised if that's all, rather than the one I'm in now where my country denies cancer patients cannabis but millions of tax payer's pounds are wasted policing idiots drunk in alcohol every week. But let's not pretend psychedelics are completely harmless.
Acting like so called "hard" drugs are some kind of black magic powders where one time trying them will have you hooked for life, ready to sell your own Mother as minced beef just to get your next hit is the same crap people used to say about the other drugs you've listed, including weed. Plenty of people consume them and lead productive lives.
Consenting adults shouldn't be stopped from putting anything they want to into their own bodies. It's called freedom.
If I start repeatedly slamming my own head into a wall, an action that could eventually kill me, as long as I own that wall or have the permission of the wall owner and I'm not getting noise complaints from the neighbours I can legally do it as much as I like.
But I can't legally take the risk of accidentally overdosing on fentanyl. Despite the fact that legalising the drug would mean I can get my hands on product produced in labs which are licensed and vetted so I can see the strength of the substance and be fairly certain of its purity, making overdose infinitely less likely.
What kind of sense does that make?
It doesn't make sense. These pro smokers are just trying to legitimize their fucking habit with paragraphs of word salad.
Dude, you're salty that you have a bad opinion and multiple people are telling you that the real world is more complicated than your 'just stop selling it' idealism bullshit. Theres no need to legitimize a habit that people of most cultures throughout history have been doing for thousands of years. Counter arguments you don't like or want to understand are not word salad. I've seen your other comments, 'f-fuck your empathy bullshit, your promoting baad habiit! You do better filthy smoker!' Quit being a close minded intolerant dick and get off your high horse.
The discussion this guy is trying to have isn't based around smoking in the least, its about the distinction between hard and soft drugs and what should be legal and what should not. What 'doesn't make sense' in this context is the arbitrary line society and individuals draw between hard and soft drugs and what should be acceptable to legally sell and tax. Not 'silly smokers argument for smoking doesn't make sense' But you would know that if you bothered to actually read and try to comprehend what people are trying to say, instead of getting defensive and skimming over the 'word salad' you don't like. Unlike you, the guy actually made some good points that I wanted to think on before giving him a real reply. You on the other hand, can get absolutely bent. Consider your ass blocked.
Damn dude. Your response was far more eloquent than what I was cooking up. Thank you.
First time I've been sad that Lemmy doesn't have karma like "the other place" used to.
Lemmy might not have karma, but I guarantee that dude's closed minded attitude will have him downvoted IRL from time to time!
You're welcome, thanks for taking time to write up a good counter argument. I agree alot with what you said and also do partially feel that we should legalize everything and let people reap what they sow. I just don't really know if letting everyone buy heroin from a dispensary would result in a net negative or positive for people in the long run. While peoples lives aren't gaurenteed to be destroyed after one or a few uses, theres many horrible stories of just that happening, again usually with heroin and some ridiculously addictive opioids. Im not talking about the over dramatized cherry picked DARE stories that you hear in school. Im talking about the very real testimony of SpontaneousH and many others will forever haunt me as an important warning. Its easy to see how something that gives people the biggest dopamine high of their entire life and is also extremely physically addictive ultimately consuming them. The homeless that need to satiate their next high usually aren't hooked on weed.
So yeah its just a really nuanced and hard thing to be one way or the other for me. There is some arbitrary hypocracy on what constitues soft vs hard drug and I can see an argument for legalizing everything for reasons already stated, but I also think that the ready availability and societal acceptance of things like heroin might be a net negative on the long term health of a society already filled with mental illness and a crushing need for escapism. Its easy to say justify legalizing from a self-interested user perspective, but when members of your friends family and children start legally ODing? Not so much.
Should adults be allowed to do what they want with their health? Yes. But try telling that to the grieving family of a depressed 22yo that overdosed for the 6th time in a year on legal readily available stuff and finally stayed down for good.