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What was the lie on Sunday? When I searched for "mccarthy lie sunday" I get a bunch of stuff about Gaetz but nothing about what the lie was.
My jaw hit the floor when I saw this news though. As near as I can tell McCarthy took a huge political risk in giving the finger to the hardliners and working with the Democrats to get the budget through.
As it stands I expect 3 consequences:
Every Republican will look at today's events and decide that it's political suicide to work with the Democrats. They've just seen that doing so will draw the ire of hardliners and gain no benefit from Democrats and even the leader of the party can get booted for doing so. Very few people will want to risk their careers on reaching across the isle.
Gaetz challenged McCarthy. McCarthy said, "Bring it on." Gaetz brought it and won. So now Gaetz is going to run a few victory laps and every interaction he has with his party will carry an implicit, "Don't fsck with me unless you want to get McCarthied."
Given that Gaetz went after him specifically for working with the Democrats I expect that the Republicans will look for someone who is far less inclined to collaborate.
The lie is likely a reference to McCarthy going on air trying to pin the potential shutdown on the Dems
https://nitter.catsarch.com/atrupar/status/1708492417001759040#m
That's correct.
If the speaker lied, reneged on deals, and was a dirty snake in the grass.
McCarthy could have had a deal weeks ago if he gave the hardliners the finger and went with the deal he agreed on. I would bet that the Dems absolutely would have supported him against Pizza Gaetz and the rest of the traitor causus just to piss them off. But dude has all the spine of a tank of jellyfish and double backed.
Maybe he'll learn that he's worthless if no one trusts him.
Thanks. It's an interesting article but I don't think it addresses the core of the problem. Who eats the rats when the dirty snake is gone?
The article covers a lot of reasons for Democrats to dislike McCarthy. That's kind of a given though since he's the leader of the opposition party during a time of heightened partisan rivalry. It doesn't address the question of if it's actually a good idea.
The hope that Democrats will be able to force Republicans to elect a more moderate speaker seems like a moon shot. Democrats don't have a majority and McCarthy barely managed to get past the objections of the hardliners. What chance does a more moderate speaker have?
Barring that unlikely scenario, the result is going to be an even more divided house. We don't even know when a new speaker can be elected. The hardliners have shown that they can shut down someone who shows even a hint of compromise. If their power to obstruct just grew since the Patrick McHenry doesn't have the power to actually pass laws. Those hardliners now have a credible chance at carrying out their threat to "Shut it all down."
This article is pretty good actually: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/03/why-democrats-might-not-want-save-mccarthy/ haven't finished reading it all, so it may mention this, but also McCarthy literally didn't even want a deal with Democrats. Not much of a strong reason for Democrats to help an opponent unless it helps them, and with how much of a mess the Republican party is right now, Democrats may be able to get some moderate republicans to elect a D Speaker, at least for some time.