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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by danielfgom@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

LMDE 6 has been officially released. The big deal about this is that it's based on the recently released Debian 12 and also that being based on Debian LMDE is 100% community based.

If you've been disappointed by what the Linux corporations have been doing lately or don't like the all-snap future that Ubuntu has opened, then this is the distro for you.

I'm running it as my daily driver and it works exactly like the regular Mint so you don't lose anything. Clem and team have done a great job, even newbies could use Debian now.

Personally I think LMDE is the future of Linux as Ubuntu goes it's own way, and this is a good thing for Mint and the Linux community. Let's get back to community distros and move away from the corps.

EDIT: LMDE is 64bit only. There is no 32bit option.

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[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Wayland probably has more things it lacks. Again, it's not apples to apples comparison.

The performance is more toward manipulating system packages. Since it's not supposed to be changed, a new system image tends to get created everytime user makes modification. At least that's the issue with Nix.

While that rpm-ostree sounds nice, it is not required for Linux Mint's use case.

Yeah, I don't think Linux Mint is for you... Perhaps NixOS would fit you better.

Don't get me wrong, I am interested in the prospect of immutable systems. I just don't think it is a silver bullet for every problem out there.

I think Wayland is the future. In fact, I've been using it as a daily driver. However, it's still a long way to go until it can truly replace X11. For starter, it has some issues that can be dealbreaker for some people (having all the applications terminated upon crash is one). Also, XFCE, MATE, and all the others got some catching up to do.

You may have your opinion, but there are reasons those two features are not as widely adopted (yet?).

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am already on Fedora Kinoite. Not sure if their immutability model is actually suited for rolling Distros though:

  • OS packages are traced by OSTree
  • updates come from another repo using OSTree (afaik). So you have a "wanted" "vanilla Fedora KDE" image on their servers, and your client has older packages, downloads just the diffs
  • the OS does atomic updates. I guess this can't be done differently. Updating works fully in the background, a new system image is built. If you dont like it, sudo ostree admin cleanup 0. Btw wheel can do rpm-ostree stuff without a password prompt.
  • when rebooting, without any second of delay, you boot into the updated system. In grub you can see both options though, if you something may break
  • as the system is image based, you can rebase to any other system images. These are like Docker/Podman images.

Its a really superior technology and the best overall solution. I was mind experimenting with an only traced system that is not immutable but uses OSTree to manage updates. Only when something breaks you would create a new clean image, or rebase. As most updates work normally since forever.

Because in the process of generating the image, locally the complete OS is build on every update. Not downloaded. But copied etc. This takes a lot of resources, which works fine on monthly updates like on Android, but not so well on daily rolling updates.

To "Linux mint does not require OStree". Rpm-ostree or apt-ostree not. But ostree I think yes. It may be stable and all, but what if its not? And you dont want to reinstall everything? There needs to be a way to reset the system to work again. All rpm-ostree does is remove "it works on my machine though" bugs. Its the only thing newcomers should use.

You are not meant to add tons of RPMs to your system, but you can. Updates can be done in the background, no problem. So you could literally "layer" (thats what its called) any huge piece of software, that doesnt work locally. You can add proprietary drivers, install media codecs and all.

Various ways to make media playback work on RPM Firefox

UBlue, and awesome project creating custom OS and Distrobox/Toolbox/Docker/Podman images for things like Arch+AMDGPUpro Drivers for Davinci resolve. They create their custom versions of the distros with patches for Asus, Framework, Surface, and all out of the box, secured modifications that are reproducible

Ublue really shows the potential of rpm-ostree. Use Fedora as base, to kernel mods, layerings, replacements how you like, and ship the "working out of the box" image for exactly your hardware. Its brilliant.

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