503
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 04 Oct 2023
503 points (97.4% liked)
News
23296 readers
1913 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
No one would have been in trouble if they were married. In Oklahoma, there are no age restrictions for marriage. An adult can marry a toddler if they want. Child marriage is a long-standing conservative tradition, unfortunately.
Would being married actually nullify age of consent laws though?
Genuinely asking.
Yes they do and to a cheryy on top. It does not grant the child the right to sign othet contracts. So they have to get permission to hire a divorce lawyer. American law, American order at it's finest
Even with the lawyer they need permission for the divorce. Running away is often their only choice to avoid being constantly raped by an old man. In the USA. In 2023. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-problem-study-findings-april-2021/
Thats what i was saying
Wtf I did not know it went to new levels of horribleness
Just an FYI, minors CAN enter into contracts. It is true infancy imparts a lack of capacity. However, minors can still enter contracts. They are voidable at the election of the minor party until a reasonable time after reaching the age of maturity unless the contract is for necessities, then it is not voidable.
Most consent laws used to be written so that marriage would be an exception. Whether Oklahomas have or not is a toss up, but given that they didn’t add a lower limit on marriage age, I’d guess they haven’t updated many of those laws in a while.
Yes. If they were married, the sex would be legal.
That's seriously fucked up. Even for the US.
I grew up in the south surrounded by conservatives. They absolutely don't see the problem with it. Conservatives see all straight same-race weddings as "traditional marriage" which is "sanctified by god", which transcends age and man's law.
rape*
Rape is OK too. The bible does not actually condemn rape, especially of a spouse.
Condem it? It has rules for rape.
Exactly. The bible effectively endorses rape.
I disagree with the no age restrictions statement. That makes it sound like there are no restrictions. According to
, in Oklahoma, you have to be 18 to get married, 16 with a parent's permission, and any age under 16 requires a court order.
I can't imagine a use for court ordered marriage that would result in anything good.
Q:How did ma ma and pa pa meet?
A:our relationship was Court Ordered.
Literally the future incels want
One of my wife's friends needed parental consent because she got married at 17 (to a guy a few years older). The whole thing worked out OKish - they've been together nearly 20 years, had a couple of kids, but I think they both recognise they got together too young, and wouldn't otherwise be together today - though they have no plans to separate.
I can. By making it technically possible, you can divert attention.
One example would be for crazy edge situations. Like letting children with terminal illnesses fulfill their last wishes, or letting hormone ridden teens make their case to a judge, keeping them from more extreme actions.
But more practically, I think this is a great idea... 99.9% of anyone asking for this either needs court ordered mental evaluation and/or a referral to CPS to do a deep dig into the situation. By making it technically possible, that means anyone seriously pursuing this has to explain themselves to a judge.
Unfortunately our judicial system has a lot more to do with money than justice (so most people who would actually go through with this probably have the money to protect themselves from consequences), but this law would be a sensible part of a more perfect system... Granted this should almost never be granted by the court (terminally ill child is the only situation that makes sense to me), but there's value in it
My opinion would change greatly if this is a real path to child marriage rather than a mostly theoretical possibility
i wonder under what circumstances this happens.
mostly when the girl is raped by her future husband and the family did want to live with the shame/sin of sex before marriage. So they just marry off the girl and pretend the sex happened after the wedding
that's not what a court order is.
But it is what pushes courts to allow or fill out an order for a child marriage
Don't give them any ideas...
I felt like this couldn’t possibly be true. I was wrong.
You must not know many American conservatives. Child marriage is a big thing for them.
No way that’s true. How is this the top comment?
Even if hyperbole, come on. Even famously backwards Oklahoma isn’t that bad. Jesus.