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China Is Suffering a Brain Drain. The U.S. Isn’t Exploiting It.
(www.nytimes.com)
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You can't exploit it. I know some people won't like to hear this, but Chinese expats are a security risk if they have any family still in China. It's well known at this point that the Chinese gov threatens family members to pressure and blackmail residents abroad to perform espionage.
100%. How many instances were there where they just straight up stole resources/IP? CCP backed Industrial sabotage and IP theft is very much a concern.
My old company started a collaboration with a Chinese government subsidiary to get market access. When they announced it at a company meeting they almost literally said, "yes, we know they are trying to steal our IP"
You absolutely can still exploit it. Assign them to public and open research projects.
Good point, anything where Chinese govt can't get an advantage by stealing proprietary info.
Not to mention the recent string of hacking groups that have clearly had internal information.
They accessed an air-gapped system at Microsoft because they knew who to target.
They stole an expired cert out of a stacktrace that was moved from the air-gapped system to a compromised developer machine. They then were able to use this expired cert as part of an exploit chain.
That whole episode was crazy to read about. Like hollywood-grade hacking skills
Proper integration is needed, and I mean really really good integration, gov. funded!
Not here for this xenophobia. The people leaving are the people who don't particularly like the government.
It's a little ridiculous we have to keep saying that it's not OK to say "all X people can not be trusted." Even if the X is Chinese people, I know China is today's boogeyman. When X was Japanese people we got internment camps.
You're not really refuting the point though. It's not that 'Chinese people are untrustworthy'. It's 'Immigrants from China are vulnerable to blackmail and extortion by the CCP'.
The point as written in their comment is that we can't use smart Chinese immigrants at all. Quote "Chinese expats are a security risk." No nuance.
Anyone can be vulnerable to blackmail. People with gambling debts, people with credit card debt, business entanglements, money problems of any kind, cheaters, people who request to stay in a Russian suite once visited by Obama just to have prostitutes pee on the bed. Could be anyone.
In positions where blackmail is a concern, we have vetting procedures. So we can do better than just blanket saying Chinese people can't be trusted.
Anyone with family in China is a security risk.
I do get your point, but everyone is right here. The difference between "Chinese expats" and "people with family in China" is really splitting hairs. And it IS going to lead to xenophobia, especially in tech.
They don't have to particularly like the government in order to engage in espionage. Like the commenter above said, they just have to have family still in China. Just within the last few months, there were two separate cases of USN sailors, both from China but naturalized citizens, who turned over classified information to the Chinese government following family pressure from the Mainland.
We should never engage in the sort of blind discrimination that resulted in internment camps. The associated risk of having family/ties in China just needs to be properly evaluated when placing people with family in/ties to China in positions of trust. The vast majority of Chinese people will never engage in espionage. And they should also never be unduly punished for the actions of the very few among them who do.
Careful if you don't think Chinese people are mindless CCP drones with no independent thought you'll be down voted. Really disappointed with Lemmy's community so far it's just as bad as reddit.
People are definitely more reactionary here (imo). The 'downvote train' can be just as powerful as reddit if other commenters don't like what you say.
You're being hyperbolic though if you're referring to my comment in particular, I never said Chinese people are mindless CCP drones. I said that Chinese expats with family still in China are a security risk. I hoped that anyone reading that sentence would extrapolate from it that I meant in relation to military / national security roles, and there was not a need to directly specify that I didn't mean every Chinese person is a security risk. Reading it back though I can see how it wasn't very clear.
Yes I meant to be hyperbolic because that's the general sentiment I see in the post and community. Not trying to call you out in particular. Though I would like to see some more sources for "Chinese gov threatens family members to pressure and blackmail residents abroad to perform espionage" because the main source I see from searching for it is from the FBI director himself.