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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago

Gotta figure that with the arty and planes bombing Gaza, the Palestinian KIA is the same. So that's 1200 in a little over 24 hours and counting. Big number.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This could see tens of thousands dead, 90% of which will be Palestinian and most of whom had nothing to do with the attacks. It could also be the last hurrah for Hamas.

I honestly don’t understand this one, and I used to do this for a living. Terrorist attacks frequently make sense. 9/11 successfully engaged the US in a “global war on terror.” It resulted in a massive burning of resources and an engagement lasting far longer than anyone anticipated. It failed in that al Qaeda has effectively been rendered inoperative, there was no pan-Arab or pan-Islamic movement that rose up to strike down the current world order, and the leadership did not generally get to retire to a life of quiet reflection. But at least it was comprehensible.

This is looking more like the equivalent of the Charles Manson Helter Skelter attack, where some psychotic thought he could ignite a national race war with an incomprehensible slaughter.

If it were not so big, I’d think it was a red flag operation. It’s just that stupid and the consequences are just that dire. This is handing Bobo exactly what he needs on a silver platter.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Agree. Near as I can figure the normalization of relations between Saudi and Isreal looked like it was going to come together. Both countries are an enemy to Iran. Iran did this to stop that agreement. Also to consider is...

Who funds Hamas? Iran.

Who funds Iran? Russia

it would certainly be in Russia's interest to deflect the west's attention from Ukraine

[-] agarorn@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

I am not sure "Russia funds iran". Yes, they both have developed deeper trade relations since trump cut of Iran more. But so have the relations between iran and China increased.

All of these countries try working together in mutual benefit against the west. But I wouldn't call any of them puppets of another.

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

the sheer number of Israeli civilian fatalities is staggering. so far the best count only has 80 or so of the dead being military or police and so the rest of the 600 and counting are presumably civilians.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Neither side is justified. Both need to be pulled out of the region and put in time out.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago

Sure, you can pull people out of their countries....

[-] anachronist@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago

Israel could pull the illegal settlements out of the west bank.

[-] probably@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

You realize the attacks are coming from Gaza where Israel did pull out, and then the people immediately elected a terrorist group to lead the country. That group then put the destruction of Israel as one of their main platforms.

I mean if anything this is showing why Israel doesn't withdraw from the West Bank.

That group then put the destruction of Israel as one of their main platforms.

Because Israel is a colonist apartheid state.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure that will help anything. Some of that land is used for defensive purposes. The normalization agreements with Saudi Arabia, now delayed due to this stupidity, did have provisions for turning land back to Palestinian control. It didn't seem to make much difference to Hamas.

[-] emma@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Hamas is funded and armed by Iran. Iranian leadership really doesn't want Saudi Arabia to make a formal normalisation agreement with Israel. Hamas leadership is dedicated to maintaining the wealth they gain from being Iranian proxies. The rest of Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel.

Hamas is also fighting Fatah for control of the West Bank and the Palestinian Authority government. The worse things are for residents of the West Bank, the better it is for Hamas.

So it's in Hamas' interests, both as proxies for Iran and for their own in the West Bank, to do everything they can to force the Arab world to choose sides and scupper every normalisation agreement, especially the big daddy Saudi one.

[-] Kepabar@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

Where do they 'pull out' to exactly?

[-] explodicle@local106.com 7 points 1 year ago

For everything they've been through, I hereby award them England.

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