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Israeli strikes flatten buildings, mosques in Gaza
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Have you ever actually read a bit of history on that region beyond the comments on reddit? Like the 3 days war, the Yom kippur war, the peace talks? Seriously? Palestine has had so many opportunities to form their own country. But won't even start if it requires accepting Israel as an independent state as well.
Israelis have certainly become more cruel and jaded as the years have gone on. But this isn't two kids on a playground. This is a stable adult trying to barter with a belligerent drunk cousin who says if he can't inherit everything then he'll just burn it all to the ground and take the ashes.
Literally the got there by help from UK amd eroupe. Got guns and form militia, anounce a nation with no borders stating "any historical land belong to jew" got recognized "6 minutes later" by US. Expanded, settlement, kick people out, killed people in camps, killed kid live on tv asking them to stop, constant money, militry equipment from US.
History is full of their atrocities.
Dont be selective of your history.
I'm not selective. They had firm borders offered to them by the country in control of the territory at the time. Then they were attacked by bordering countries multiple times. Those countries lost. And yes Israel received help. Just like Ukraine now. And you should really look at how that military aid works. None of what I said was untrue.
Perhaps you should read the Wikipedia article about the Gaza strip. The truth is that you can't really expect a reconciliation mood from people treated like this. Creating buffer zones, and a de-facto open-air prison isn't a recipe for peace. Yes, what Hamas is doing is horrible, but refusing to admit faults on the other side is equally repelling.
And perhaps an unpopular opinion but Israel to a big extend led to the rise of Hamas. If people living there were happy and were not feeling oppressed they would have never voted for them in the first place.
You're reading into an analogy as if it needs to illustrate the complex geopolitical history of an entire part of the world, rather than describe the emotional right-now of "just one" war.
Step one in achieving piece, is to forgive. The hard part is doing so right when the other guy is ready to do it, too. And then you have to keep doing it, every day, until you don't remember any of the evil stuff they did to you, and they don't remember any of the evil stuff you did to them. You also can't then go back to doing evil to the other guy, like displacing them from their homes.
Both sides are guilty of failing to forgive, and of doing plenty of evil for the other to remember, pushing peace farther and farther out of reach. The second you decide that the only way out is for the other guy to cease to exist, you're the bad guy. And it seems to me, both sides in this particular conflict, at least the people in charge, feel this way.
And yes, the way you get to that point is with the logic of a child. Responding to a punch with a harder one, failing to recognize that the obvious response will simply be another, harder, punch.
If you really want to take issue with analogy comparison then the real problem is the original was fucking stupid. This isn't punching. This is life and death. And the terrorists in Gaza are choosing death. What should Israel's response be, in your opinion? Palestinian governments have consistently walked away from peace talks. Hamas has consistently used human shields. Used hospitals and mosques as bases for rocket launches. What do you think is a proper response?
Perhaps Israel should unilaterally define the borders, ask the world to recognize them, and hope that the group that has the destruction of Israel in it's platform will accept that and stop attacking Israeli civilians?
Analogies, by definition, can't describe things down to every detail. Like your stable adult and drunkard analogy, which should probably also mention that the "stable" adult engages in physical beatings when the drunkard becomes too much for them. But a drunkard relative needs therapy, not a beating.
That you think my speaking about the matter using analogies means I don't know or care about the details, is your assumption. One which I made an attempt to let you backtrack from, but here you are, still shoving your idea of what you think my opinion is, at me. Asking me hard questions as if I ever claimed to have answers.
If someone came and took half ur house you wouldn't agree to it either. Prior to 1948 all that land was recognized as Palestine.
The Bible even says the cannaanites were there first.
Palestine has never been a recognized country. You are showing your ignorance. Prior to 1948 it was controlled by the British. Prior to that, controlled by the surrounding countries.
That's not true. Palestine has not been recognized as a state. Prior to 1948 none of that property was recognized as israels in any way ever. But that area was identified as Palestine. Again the Bible says you are wrong.
Lmao you clearly don’t know the history of the region. If that’s your summary, don’t pretend you haven’t gotten youre information from some obviously biased source like Reddit or Facebook.
Show me where I was wrong then.