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Rescuers recover more than 260 bodies at music festival attacked by Hamas (www.independent.co.uk)

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The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 39 points 1 year ago

There's a difference between attacking unarmed civilians at a music festival and war. The terrorists should always be condemned, and you're painting with far too broad of a brush here.

There's a difference between freedom fighters and murderers.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

I agree with your main point. The actions of the Hamas are abhorrent. But many here are equating it with the will of all Palestinians and that's simply not true.

I don't understand how these acts, which clearly will not help Palestinians, can be seen as the something they all would want.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Last time I checked, only fascists believe "the will of an ethnic group" is even a thing.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu -1 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's the will of all Palestinians and absolutely shouldn't be considered as such, but that's why the denunciation must be absolute in order to bring legitimacy to the cause. It's the same reason MLK would leave cities if rioting began. I wish it didn't have to be this way but too many people are unable to think with a healthy dose of nuance.

[-] bobman@unilem.org 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There’s a difference between attacking unarmed civilians

I hope you're one of the first to condemn Israel when they kill at least 10x as many Palestinian civilians in retaliation for this.

You know, in addition to how many more Palestinians civilians they've already killed.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 13 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Israel is the definition of a terrorist state. Imagine nuance

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago

It's already been pointed out earlier, but casualty numbers do not correlate to who is more "good" or "evil". It only correlate to whoever has the bigger army.

Far more Iraqis died in Operation Desert Storm or the Iraq invasion than the US. More Afghans died during that invasion than the US. More Axis soldiers died than Allied soldiers in WWII.

[-] bobman@unilem.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

but casualty numbers do not correlate to who is more “good” or “evil”. It only correlate to whoever has the bigger army.

I'm talking specifically about civilian casualties.

Please re-iterate your point if you think it also applies to civilians.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

When Hamas uses civilians as human shields and hides in their country in plain sight, that tends to drive up the numbers.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 2 points 1 year ago

Israel routinely bombs news buildings. The IDF routinely kills journalists.

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