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It really sucks that the attitude of "how about we don't support anyone who's violating international law?" can't seem to survive a massive terrorist attack, whether we're talking about 9/11 or these horrible events. I absolutely condemn these unforgivable attacks against innocent civilians, and I absolutely condemn any response to those attacks that violates international law by targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, or by blockading and starving an entire city. I can see daylight between "we stand with Israel" and "we support any and all actions of the Israeli government and armed forces without caveat" but there's not much room for that opinion in the immediate aftermath of something like this. The ultimate price needs to paid by those responsible, but the City of Gaza didn't do this, and the Palestinian people writ large didn't do this. The trillions of dollars and millions of lives wasted in the 20-year War on Terror that 9/11 kicked off needs to be a cautionary tale, not something we look to repeat. To put it another way, we would not blockade, starve, and invade Texas just because a lot of J6ers and other heavily-armed anti-government militia folks happen to live there - we hunt down those actually responsible for actual crimes with precision and ferocity and bring them to justice. We don't respond to an attack by punishing the entire geographical area and ethnic population from which that attack may have originated. been there, done that, doesn't ever work. Didn't work for the Soviets, didn't work the Japanese, didn't work for the US, won't work here.
There are still 100+ hostages from many countries in Gaza. Their only shot is if the Israelis can get information of exactly where they are at. Making the area without electricity, food, etc is one way to compel human intel. But, the clock is running.
"war crimes are okay to save hostages" is certainly a perspective I didn't expect to read today.
Would you rather leave them to fate? Just add them to the list?
Than commit war crimes? Yeah. Not complex bud. War can be conducted without this type of intentional atrocity.
So theres one vote for no warning. Then you would cry about a surprise attack. There are people in Gaza moving south, so they disagree with you. Btw, according to the news Hamas has advised them to stay in their homes.
Huh? Why are you putting words in my mouth? How would conventional military tactics require surprise attacks?
I don't support the settlements, but support Israel's right to exist.
There's miles of distance between "Israel should have a right to defend itself against Hamas." and "Israel can only defend itself through war crimes and genocide."
Trying to tell you that you are presenting a no win position to Israel. Damned if they do, damned if they don't,
You're trying to use war crimes as an argument that doesn't make much sense.
The civilians of Palestine are not responsible for the actions of Hamas, the taking of hostages is not an excuse for warcrimes.
The citizens are not responsible for their rulers...I suppose that's been a delusion for centuries.
But,, you didn't answer my question.
65% the population in Gaza is under 24. Do you really condone the indiscriminate killing of children?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
I suggest you don't place the word 'children' in your comment a day after I see an Israeli baby in it's own blood on my TV,