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[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 128 points 11 months ago

And no small number of supposed leftists found in all this cause for celebration.

and also

Those who approve or condone Hamas’s atrocities constitute a small minority of the left.

Mr. Levitz should take a deep breath and figure out what exactly he's trying to say, and to whom.

That's a great catch - a contradiction straight out of an Ace Attorney game lol.

[-] MrFappy@lemmy.world 89 points 11 months ago

This author is a moron for ignoring the crazy amount of nuances involved in the particular situation.

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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago

It's really not that difficult to say that Hamas, Hezbollah, and the IDF are all terrible.

[-] alternative_factor@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Saying something this simple is too nuanced for most people to comprehend and the reason why we are doomed as a species.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

our inability to comprehend the exponential function is why we are doomed. the inability to cope with nuance won't make it a fun ride though.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

This may be true, but the violence; whether physical or structural between hamas and IDF is wildly asymmetrical. We can condemn the attacks, but if we are going to deal with this issue and offer solutions we need to address the open air prison, and apartheid state that Israel is operating.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

This may be true, but

There shouldn't be any "but" here. All of them are reprehensible for killing children and civilians. All of them need to be dismantled and destroyed.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

So there’s this thing called ‘nuance’

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 22 points 11 months ago

And no small number of supposed leftists found in all this cause for celebration. Others, meanwhile, loudly refused to condemn Hamas’s atrocities, insisting it was not their place to decry the “military strategy” or “violent resistance” of oppressed Palestinians.

Whom? I want names or at least hard numbers. Too many people throw around these nebulous quantities like it is self-apparent support for their claims. You know who else uses that tactic? Dishonest politicians (it's a favorite of right-wing politicians stoking fear or feigning support).

This reads like someone with confirmation bias and no real data to back it up.

Israel doesn't get a "Get Out of Warcrimes Free" card just because they had warcrimes committed against them. Fuck Israel, fuck the Hamas. I stand with the citizens on both sides caught in the middle.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

There's just no justification for killing civilians, no matter what you've experienced. It's being done by both. It's wrong by both.

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 19 points 11 months ago

I see no one celebrating the brutal killing of civilians except for the right wingers who are ok with killing Palestinian civilians in retribution for the killings of Israeli civilians. People should be allowed to live their lives in peace, period.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It really sucks that the attitude of "how about we don't support anyone who's violating international law?" can't seem to survive a massive terrorist attack, whether we're talking about 9/11 or these horrible events. I absolutely condemn these unforgivable attacks against innocent civilians, and I absolutely condemn any response to those attacks that violates international law by targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure, or by blockading and starving an entire city. I can see daylight between "we stand with Israel" and "we support any and all actions of the Israeli government and armed forces without caveat" but there's not much room for that opinion in the immediate aftermath of something like this. The ultimate price needs to paid by those responsible, but the City of Gaza didn't do this, and the Palestinian people writ large didn't do this. The trillions of dollars and millions of lives wasted in the 20-year War on Terror that 9/11 kicked off needs to be a cautionary tale, not something we look to repeat. To put it another way, we would not blockade, starve, and invade Texas just because a lot of J6ers and other heavily-armed anti-government militia folks happen to live there - we hunt down those actually responsible for actual crimes with precision and ferocity and bring them to justice. We don't respond to an attack by punishing the entire geographical area and ethnic population from which that attack may have originated. been there, done that, doesn't ever work. Didn't work for the Soviets, didn't work the Japanese, didn't work for the US, won't work here.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago

Meanwhile a right that refuses to condemn mass murder just the status quo.

[-] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago

I agree. I condemn Israel for their attempted genocide.

[-] Hello_there@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

From the title I can't tell if this is about Hamas or Israel

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

it's about duur left

[-] Esqplorer@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

Typical western bellybutton gazing. I have seen more discussion, by far, about how so-and-so is reacting than the actual events.

Westerners treat this like football and pick a team to support. It fucking sucks.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

The funny part is that I initially couldn't figure out which side the headline was talking about at first.

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