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China’s foreign minister said Saturday that Israel has gone too far in responding to last week’s invasion by Hamas, China’s official news agency reported.

Speaking to Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Israel’s actions have extended beyond self-defense.

According to Xinhua, China has an interest in helping resolve the conflict and the underlying issues involving the Palestinian population.

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[-] M500@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

At the “start” of this, I didn’t really have an opinion. But that’s mostly due to lack of knowledge and the complexity of the issue.

I was initially siding with Israel as they were hit first, but their response has made me rethink things.

I’m still really undecided and am unqualified to make an opinion anyway.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"As they were hit first."

Whooboy. You have to go far, far, far back in history, buddy.

[-] Cjwii@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

People were on TV news saying the Israelis are like Native Americans getting their land back 🤣🤣🤣

[-] eee@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

It's OK not too have a side. Israel and Palestine have been going at it for so long and the history is so complex that there is literally blame on both sides.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

The graphs here go to 2008 and the situation has been going on for decades before that

[-] sab@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The fact that you consider yourself unqualified to make an opinion probably makes you more qualified to do so than 95% of the idiots out there whose opinions are already firmly established.

[-] cosmic_skillet@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Do you feel the need to take a side

[-] Slwh47696@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The only side I give a shit about are the civilians just trying to live their lives

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The pressure is all over these comment sections. Not this one in particular.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Interesting thought, when you have countries sending aid to one side or the other, or protests pro one way or the other, makes you think you should have a side.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's really complicated. If you trace back why people did what they did, including motivations, you'll end up centuries back. I stopped in the Russian revolutionary time period last time I tried.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Is it even safe to start from the Ottomans?

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Goes even further than that I suspect, but I'm not sure. I would seriously not be surprised though if you could trace it to the Romans in Jerusalem.

[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

The Romans created the diaspora in the first place. How relevant that is to the modern conflict is debatable. Zionists certainly use the ancient Jewish kingdoms as evidence of their legitimacy.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think it does trace that far back then. The diaspora is likely a large contributing factor in why Jews were so often persecuted in Europe, which was what created the desire for a Jewish state in the first place. And I do think that is a fair desire and claim, but the way the British did it was completely wrong.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I was initially siding with Israel as they were hit first, but their response has made me rethink things.

To generalize this out to other wars and conflicts, even regular old arguments, there are almost always pre-existing conditions and tensions leading up to the first major attack. Even things like WWI, where the catalyst was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. But there is quite obviously more to the atmosphere, national ambitions, etc. etc. that make it so that the separatists wanted to assassinate him, and make it so that Austria-Hungary wanted to invade Serbia and used this as an excuse. A war would have happened anyway, no matter who attacked first.

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