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Sorry for not replying to every single point given. Due to the shear amount of text I hope it's understandable.
My point is that dispute of the past gives no one special right to be extra cruel. Once someone starts killing babies, it no longer matter if they or their grandparents had very difficult life. They are baby killers from that point on. It's never justified to take revenge on innocent people. Regardless of what side it is.
We are no in 1949 anymore, EU is helping Gaza for instance by humanitarian aid which they doubled these days. UN push against Izrael's order for northen Gaza. So going to international institutions as humans rights court or war crime court of even just documenting any wrong doing is much more effective at making situation better than butchering bunch of youngsters.
I only gave 2 points and you didn’t respond to either. I won’t give you the benefit of the doubt this time:
You’re spreading a lie, and I’m betting it’s intentional at this point. The baby killing thing was debunked and even the President had to apologize for spreading that low. The IDF even didn’t confirm it.
If you were cornered in the world’s largest concentration camp and things only get worse every day, what would you do?
The mental gymnastics being done to justify genocide. They have a MILLION CIVILIANS in a cage and are bombing the shit out of them. There are NO circumstances where that is an ethical or justifiable action. It’s not hard. You just don’t want to admit you’re Darth Vader and not Luke Skywalker in this.
Thx for making it shorter this time.
I do not spread lies I gave an example that should make it clear that people don't get right to become criminals because they were wronged in the past. You can replace babies with kids/ grandmas/ women etc.... Point stays.
I would probably try International humans right court, International war crimes court, ask for azyl in EU, Call UN for help, document and publicized wrongdoings, Emigrade,... Probably few more.... But i would not create terrorist cell, attack young people at peaceful music festival and murder families in their homes or kill daughter of one of the few Izreali who invest into Gaza and gives Palestinians work there.
Note: I'm against killing innocent people at any side of baricade but you seem to support the idea killing Jews . I wonder why.
bonus: I don't play to be Jedi since I left kindergarten, though I have to admit I miss it sometimes. Gotta rewatch original episodes sometime.
I literally am a Jew. I support people defending themselves — even if their assailants are Jewish. You seem to think that Jews are allowed to commit genocide because they’re Jews. At this point, Israel has bombed 5 UN schools that had children sheltering inside. Being a Zionist and being Jewish are not the same thing, and not being able to understand the difference between them, is antisemitism. Killing people en masse has nothing to do with Judaism, and if you think they must be related, that speaks more about you than it does about my people.
I couldn't care less if people are Jewish, Arab, Budhists, Chinese or green mutants. I think that the problem of the west is deviding people into these categories.
Back to the topic. If you get attacked you get right to defend yourself. If you are oppressed and are too weak to defend your state, you ought to sought help.
But Hammas main goal is not peace or end of oppression they stated their goal is to kill all Jews. In meanwhile and if they succeed, do you think Palestinian get better life or they live under terrorist regime supressing their humans right?
As for Israel , they have to get rid off Hammas. IMHO they can't do that with shelling. They have to go in and clear Hammad with special force face to face. All civilian casaulties should be maximally avoided.
It's supper hard but other option is what? Live next to the ticking bomb that will periodacally massacre specifically weakest civilians because , terrorist will quickly learn no retaliation can happen?
Please stop spreading misinformation. You can read the Hamas charter online and it doesn’t actually say that their goal is to kill all of us. Furthermore, the ICJ ruled in — I believe — 2004 for that Israel does not have the right to defend itself against Palestinians as an occupying power.
Many people will have their arguments to justify enabling and funding genocide. Just own that you want to help kill innocent people while ignoring the truth that you’re doing that.