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Wine-wayland part 8: More window management Merged
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I just hope to one day be able to install MS Office 2021 and use older software under Wine without having to spend days patching and installing stuff. Is it too much to ask? Apparently it is.
That's because Linux is meant to run Linux software.. Wine should only be used as a last resort. When it comes to production software we should focus on improving our open alternatives and making them suitable for more users to migrate to our ecosystem, thus, creating demand for Adobe software or MS Office to be ported, or they might not even be needed by then
I need MS Office and Open/Libre/OnlyOffice won’t cut it. If ones lives in a bubble and doesn't have to collaborate with others, then native Linux apps might work and you might even get a decent workflow but once you’ve to collaborate with others who use Windows/Mac it’s game over. The “alternatives” aren’t just up to it.
Anyone who want a simple Virtual Machine and have to go thought cumbersome installation procedures like this one just to reach the end and have error messages saying virtualization isn’t enable when, in fact, it is… or trying to use GNOME Boxes and have a sub-par virtualization experience.
Even finding a decent and working FTP/SFTP/FTPS desktop client (similar WinSCP or Cyberduck) is an impossible task as there a few, but they all fail even at basic stuff like dragging and dropping a file.
Linux desktop is great, I love it but I don’t sugar coat. Windows licenses are cheap and you get things working out of the box. Software runs fine, all vendors support whatever you’re trying to do and you’ll be productive from day zero. There are annoyances from time to time, sure, but they’re way fewer and simpler to deal with than the hoops you’ve to go through to get a minimal and viable/productive Linux desktop experience.
It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months?) you want spend fixing things on Linux that simply work out of the box under Windows for a minimal fee. Buy a Windows license and spend the time you would’ve spent dealing with Linux issues doing your actual job and you’ll, most likely, get a better ROI.
Why do you need MS office?
Because I have to work with other people who use MS Office.
And ...?
And... I can't afford to have documents screwed up because Libre/Open/OnlyOffice aren't the real deal... and I need to use MS Teams, Excel, Project and have data flowing between each other and Dynamics Nav. All those things Linux native Office solutions can't do, nor Office Online and certainly not Wine.
Ahh tracking. I've never seen a work flow that used data flowing well between MS products. I've never had an incompatibility issue yet either, but I believe it, certainly on excel, that program can be a beast.
Here is how Office 2019 (not even the latest) performs on Wine out of the box:
Very helpful. What's that fucked up char anyways? :D
Once I managed to get 2019 running however it was slow and glitchy. There was some flickering on the UI and moving objects on Word was mostly impossible.
Oh no I meant just using libreoffice. I don't even want to MS Office on windows, trying to get to work on wine seems like a nightmare.
As you already know, I can't. I've used Libre and OnlyOffice for personal stuff and they're able to get the job done. Few details that are different but for what's worth I'll even say that for some tasks both of them even have easier workflows than MS Office. They kinda remind of the Office 2003 days when MS Office had the UI actualize optimized for speed and productivity not to flash around. Unfortunately for work I can't just do it.