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Zoos aren’t for animals. They’re for us. | Zoos say they’re leaders in protecting wildlife. But is it true? (www.vox.com)

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[-] BadlyDrawnRhino@aussie.zone 27 points 1 year ago

I appreciate where the author of this article is coming from, but I think they're being a bit too one-sided.

For example, they make the point that zoos don't contribute enough to conservation, donating only around 5% of their spending, as if the millions of dollars given doesn't justify their existence. But if zoos didn't exist, that's a big chunk of money that wouldn't be going towards conservation at all.

They also talk about the education aspect, that visitors don't necessarily read the information about the animals and instead go for the spectacle. But a child isn't going to read those plaques regardless, but seeing animals up close might ignite an interest in conservation later in life.

And one thing that the article doesn't really go into is the fact that humans are still actively hunting animals in the wild, and destroying habitats for profit. And while I think zoos are a bit of a band-aid fix when it comes to endangered species, I'd much rather see an animal in captivity surrounded by zookeepers that care about it rather than extinction.

In an ideal world, zoos wouldn't exist. In a slightly less ideal world, only open-plain zoos would exist. But we are a very long way from that, and I personally believe that reputable zoos are a positive in the world we currently live in.

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Hunting also needs to be looked at objectively. Many people hunt, and for many different reasons.

Poor people will hunt because it's is free food. Some risk they're lives to do it. Some places like Tanzania will kill poachers. We need to look into removing that incentive, as in, we need to reduce global poverty.

I hunt because one deer will be most of my meat for a year. The price to have someone else cut it up makes it cost the same as cheap grocery store ground beef, but it tastes better and is much more eco friendly than that cute would have been.

Rich people BS hunting like I imagine you're referring to is BS, but they pay big money to do it. The money they spend on that one animal funds the preservation of many times more animals, and by having a legal process to do it, there is less incentive to do it illegally, where accurate counts of animals taken can't be done.

The first example I can think of showing the success of this is the American Alligator. They were almost wiped out, but now they flourish because people want to hunt and/or eat them. I think it's something like 10 are raised fire every one that is allowed to be hunted. I'll admit, it's a bit like strange logic at first, but there are success stories to show it works.

I love animals. I even take care of the spiders at my house the best I can. But I hunt ethically as possible, just one legal deer a year. That deer lived a better life than a feed lot cow, didn't need to clear cut or pollute land to live, and it was appreciated for it's sacrifice every day by me, and I do my best to not waste a scrap of that meat, because I had to do the hard part myself.

I've met unethical hunters, and I won't associate with them. They're trash like any other cruel person. But most are regular people.

[-] alehc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Unrelated: How do you conserve a whole deer for an entire year? You freeze the crap out of it? lol

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We drop them off at a beef farm for processing. They pack it up all nice like you'd get it from a butcher shop, mainly in pound size packaging. We get from 60 to 80 pounds typically. Then it goes in the freezer.

You can also donate them to the poor through the Game Commission I think. It's our family's primary source of meat though. I just empty my freezer by Thanksgiving and it have room for it all. I occasionally find some that's from the last season and it's still always been fine.

Here's one pack of ground meat from last year I still have. We also got jerky sticks, sausage, and stew cubes and loins. They're just wrapped in butchers paper.