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I don't know any true Christians who are MAGA or racists or even bigots. But with the commonly used definition that if someone says something is bad they automatically are seen as hating the people doing it many people arguing in communities like that would be called haters or bigots and possibly be banned here on lemmy.world. Even though most true Christians don't like MAGA and hardline rights they might feel the need to create communities like r/TrueChristian oad r/AskAChristian on exploding-heads.com or similar servers because they might think that their opinions are tolerated there. What do you think?

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[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I'm very much in favor of this! I enjoyed /r/DebateReligion and also liked to peek into religion-specific subreddits. As an anti-religious hard atheist. We can still talk and debate about ideas in a civil manner. Disagreements can be fun and intellectually beneficial.

As for your question in the title: https://lemmy.world/c/askachristian already exists, as a placeholder. There's also https://lemmy.world/c/debateanatheist.

If I were you, I would try to stay away from E-H if you don't want to give your community a bad taste. It is so easy to connect Christians and white supremacists (wether justified or not), that you probably cannot have enough distance between you and them.

There already is a surprising number of Christian communities on lemmy: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=christian Most are tiny and have yet to see some life, but in principle it seems possible and viable almost anywhere.

I also invite you (and anyone interested in debating in good faith) to check out https://lemm.ee/c/debatereligion and https://lemmy.world/c/debatereligion

[-] vaseltarp@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I surfed a little bit on E-H and I did not encounter any "white supremacist" content. You should also consider this: they did not defederate from lemmy.world. That means they still tolerate the opinion from here. So far only lemmy.world defederated from them because they can't tolerate this different opinions. And it is this kind of intolerance that interprets every deviating opinion as "nazi" and "white supremacy" and everyone who doesn't approve their lifestyle as "hateful" that let's me doubt if AskAChristian can be here. I fear that certain questions could not be answered honestly without it being labeled as "hate" and being banned and silenced.

[-] The_weapon_x@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Anything that tries to stick to biblical principles, rather than bend or break to fit "modern views" is likely going to be called some sort of phobic, bigoted, racist, etc. People holding views countering the unchanging message of the bible simply cannot tolerate its unwavering stance against what it defines as sin. Terminally online people seem far more likely to be locked into their ideology and far less likely to engage in good faith discussion, because introspection and self-reflection are not possible when the person arguing refuses facts and logic.

It kills me that nobody can have an honest to goodness discussion about things anymore. It seems that if you don't agree with someone's every choice and belief these days, they see you as an enemy who MUST be silenced, by any means necessary. The world really is in a sad state, and I am ashamed to see the USA appearing to lead this charge into abject insanity. Stifling creativity, competition and speech are mainstays of this rhetoric, and yet they ignore the irony that is clearly visible when they say conservative opinion-holders are "trying to take away" someone's rights by simply disagreeing with the premise of their argument and backing it up with facts. We have a faction of grown-ass adults who literally scream, shout, and attack you for having a differing point of view.

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