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There's a lot of I's in your comment, so let's get that out of the way: I'm sure you're one of the good ones, congratulations! Ok, now we can discuss things properly. Whenever someones accuses you of supporting USA in posts like these it's because you are. When people discuss changing something and you openly criticize this change without new proposals or sugestions, you are supporting the status quo. It doesn't matter if you agree with it completely, if you criticize some things but believe it can be reformed, or worst, if you think we should just wait around until something better comes along, the end result is the same: you're supporting the status quo.
So we believe that China is miles better than the US, none of the things you said here changes that. China is not perfect, but there's no point in criticizing when we are making the argument that it's better than what we currently have. We discuss the faults and mistakes of China when it's appropriate to do so, doing it in this post would be counter productive. It's basic politics
The reason I started talking about myself is because you started an ad hominem attack, which you're attempting to continue with. It's falling flat.
I'm not supporting the status quo, I'm searching for objective truth. A broken clock is right twice a day, and the status quo can be correct in some ways - even if it were wrong in every way that matters. If you want to change the status quo for the better, it would be wise to not throw the baby out with the bath water.
You're suggesting that your only purpose for posting here is to promote a political agenda.
Why wouldn't we be promoting a political agenda?
"We don’t need no culture except revolutionary culture. What we mean by that is a culture that will free you. You heard your Field Lieutenant talking about a fire in the room, didn’t you? What you worry about when you got a fire in this room? You worry about water or escape. You don’t worry about nothin’ else. If you say “What’s your culture during this fire?” “Water, that’s my culture, Brother, that’s my culture.” Because culture’s a thing that keeps you. “What’s your politics?” Escape and water. “What’s your education?” Escape and water." - Fred Hampton - It's A Class Struggle Goddammit!, November, 1969
I mean sure, that's fine. I'm glad you're admitting to your biases, that better helps me find the truth.
There is no such thing as an unbiased lens. There is no neutral third party in international news where everyone has an interest.
Sure, but confirming what another person's biases are is useful.
As I said, it doesn't matter the reasons, you're still supporting the status quo. It's not about your intentions, it's about the effects of your discourse. The fact is that China's model of international relations is better than US's and should be incentivized, the denial of this fact is the same as the support for the opposite affirmation.
This post is supporting change, a better alternative to what we currently have. Proposing change is a political process. The fact that the word politic has become demonized by liberals doesn't change that fact
That's copypasta, and it doesn't even fit in this circumstance, in spite of how much you want it to. How are the effects of my discourse supporting the status quo?
This post isn't supporting change, it's a meme criticising the US and painting China as perfect. A meme in a news community, no less. The comparison invites criticism, it's pretty hypocritical to cry when someone delivers it.
I literally said it, and I'll reapeat it: "The fact is that China’s model of international relations is better than US’s and should be incentivized, the denial of this fact is the same as the support for the opposite affirmation."
Without going into the quality of China's model of international relations, where did I deny that good international relations should be incentivised?
I like the Belt & Roads Initiative, even if it might also include military objectives. Further up I said that China was cooperating with nations to make this project happen. What I don't like is China's activity in the South China Sea. You have to completely ignore China's activity in this area to make the claim you're making.
Also that whole "if you aren't with us, you're against us" philosophy is pure bullshit.