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Is ProtonVPN worth it?
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What do you torrent? I set up real-debrid and usenet and literally do not use any torrent sites anymore whatsoever. Everything I download is downloaded at my max bandwidth. I'd recommend spending the money on that setup instead. VPNs are overpriced for what they offer.
You realize this still exposes the fact you are visiting piracy sites?
ok and?
The whole reason you get a VPN for piracy is to stop you're ISP from seeing what you are doing. It also allows you to easily unblock indexer websites. What you are suggesting isn't a replacement for a VPN in anyway and is likeley to lead to you getting caught and potentially banned by you're ISP.
Your ISP won't ban you for visiting "piracy sites". They'll only care if they get a subpoena, which you'll only get if you're distributing copyrighted material.
i.e. seeding
That's the thing, with usenet and real debrid, you don't seed. It's all direct downloads.
Pass.
Ok? Didn't ask but go off lil buddy
Yeah I don't live in America. You can technically be jailed for piracy where I live I believe.
If you were to decide to try Usenet, you install a program called SABnzbd (kind of like qBit, it downloads the files - no uploading, downloading only). It has an SSL connection enabled (Secure Sockets Layer, encryption-based internet security protocol). Even without a VPN, they may be able to see that you're searching you're indexers (on a program called Prowlarr - searching for a file to DL), but you're ISP can't see what you're downloading on SABnzbd. I still use Mullvad, so I know they can't see anything I'm doing in regards to searching or DL.
I don't generally like being talked down to.
It's weird you're recommending advanced tools like Prowlarr to someone without piracy experience. I have used other programs from the Servarr suite like Sonarr and Radarr with BitTorrent and found them to be generally more trouble than they are worth.
No idea what you're talking about. I was genuinely trying to provide advice and assistance.
How does someone try to teach and guide another person in more "advanced" things, without them taking it as though they're being talked down to?
You've had two people who've tried to help you now, because you're comments are clearly coming from a perspective of a person "without piracy experience" (your words).
You can see my other comments in here. I'm not talking down to anyone. I guess I'll let you figure out the problem with using BitTorrent or uTorrent on you're own. GL
My guy I probably have more experience with this than you do. I've been doing it for literally years. The only thing I haven't used is usenet. I might one day but the only advantage I can see is more consistent download speed.
Really? You talk as if I have no understanding of basic computer terminology like SSL. Like I know these things are encrypted. If you didn't realize this bittorrent protocol can also be encrypted. Dosen't stop them seeing who you are connecting to. Since piracy websites are banned you would have a hard time even accessing them without a VPN. Even if they can't see what you're downloading specifically they can still see you are accessing a piracy website - imagine trying to use that defense in court.
I was refering to the proctol. You can just say bittorrent since it's a protocol. I don't use either of these clients specifically I mainly use qBittorrent.
What problem are you even referring to?
Based on you're comments in this thread, no.
You said the quote above, not me. So which is it? You have more experience than me, or you're "someone without piracy experience?"
How in the world would I know who you are and what your experience level is with SSL? I was simply providing a thorough answer to you or anyone else who would care to read it later. That's all. Not everything is a personal jab at you and your fragile psyche. You're being overly sensitive about a non-issue.
For the vast majority of people, that's never going to happen. If that's something that definitely can happen in your country (from just viewing a piracy website) then name your country in your comments so most people don't get confused. Otherwise, you're blowing it way out of proportion.
And this confusion is generally why most knowledgeable users talk about "torrenting" instead of naming the protocol, which is also the name of a torrent client that is widely used by newer & uninformed users.
Looking at your post history, its clear you just like to argue. Maybe that's why you thought I was talking down to you, because that's something you try to do to other people. I came here to help. This conversation is over.
I maybe didn't make this clear. You assumed I didn't have experience (I honestly think you maybe got me mixed up with someone else), and you recommended prowlarr based on that assumption. I have actually actually tried similar systems multiple times over with Radarr, Sonarr, Couchpotato, sickbeard, Jackett, and friends. I never had great luck with any of them and the infrastructure meant to support them like FreeNAS or UnRAID. That's why I don't want people recommending them especially to the inexperienced.
Yet you keep trying to claim I don't know what I am doing while never showing anything I have said to be incorrect. Maybe you weren't meaning to offend but that's exactly what you have been doing.
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"My guy" (as you said to me), you're showing it all yourself, doing all the work for me. Do you need a point-by-point map or diagram or something? I can't make it any more clear to you, than you have already done for yourself. Sorry my guy, you're going to have to work on your confusion, fragile psyche, and extreme sensitivity, all by yourself my guy.
I never claimed to have experience with Usenet. I do have years of experience with piracy in general. I guess I didn't make this clear enough.
Is this not a recommendation? It's from the same comment you mentioned SABnzbd.
I also never said Prowlarr uses SSL before now. Though given many index sites use HTTPS it can in fact use SSL or TLS. It's still not a criticism of anything I have said though cause they can still see which site you are accessing just not which file.
I am not the one who is confused here. The thing about being sesitive is probably true. I generally don't like it when people try to lecture to me about something (piracy) I have been doing for way longer than them. Honestly the fact you have to use ad hominem like this and then block someone isn't good.
Again, I can't connect the dots for you. You're combining and confusing two separate issues.
You previously said: "The whole reason you get a VPN for piracy is to stop you’re ISP from seeing what you are doing."
The following was my recommendation: "If you were to decide to try Usenet, you install a program called SABnzbd (kind of like qBit, it downloads the files - no uploading, downloading only). It has an SSL connection enabled (Secure Sockets Layer, encryption-based internet security protocol)."
The topic was keeping your ISP from seeing what you're doing. So, no, Prowlarr was not a recommendation. Prowlarr doesn't have an SSL connection. The reference to Prowlarr was an explanation that: "they may be able to see that you’re searching you’re indexers (on a program called Prowlarr - searching for a file to DL), but you’re ISP can’t see what you’re downloading on SABnzbd. I still use Mullvad, so I know they can’t see anything I’m doing in regards to searching or DL."
Is any of this getting through to you?
That's progress.
First, as I already explained, it wasn't a lecture, I was genuinely trying to help, as I have in another portion of this thread. Last, as I already stated, no. You're delusional.
How am I reading and replying to someone who is blocked? Confusion, fragile psyche, and extreme sensitivity explains the basis for your attempt at reasoning while trying to make your comments appear logical. And you admitted a portion of what I said is true, and it's affecting how you're interpreting and replying to comments from other people.
I do not intend this to be offensive, but I'm not sure how else to explain how I feel about this conversation. Again, no offense, but it's becoming clear to me that English is not your native language, wherever you're from. You do well, but you're clearly not fully grasping what is being explained to you by myself and other/s. Maybe that's an ESL issue, or maybe there is something else going on with you (enjoying arguing too much, confusion, fragile psyche, extreme sensitivity, etc.). I don't see the point in continuing the conversation with you, as it seems you just want to make up whatever nonsense you can so that you can have the last word. So, go ahead, have the last word. I won't reply.
It's obvious I have upset you.
The point I have been trying to make this whole time is that Usenet doesn't replace a VPN. Usenet allows you to download things securely as you keep repeating (I already knew this and haven't even used the thing). To download from Usenet you still have to find the thing on an indexer site just like you would with a torrent, and to do this securely you need a VPN. You can't even access many torrent indexer sites in my country (UK) and probably in your country as well (US or Canada?) without a proxy or VPN anyway, and I am guessing the same applies to Usenet indexers.
Most of these indexer sites use SSL or TLS (through HTTPS) but that doesn't mean they can't block them or see that you are accessing them.
The fact you admitted in your first comment even and keep reiterating that you still use and need a VPN just proves my point. Like you have said everything I have said. You just don't want to admit it.
As for my native language: I am from England.
You're jumping to conclusions because you can't deal with someone else's preferences being different from yours.
Also this was an alt account. So I could still reply even if you blocked me. So your whole argument about me being able to respond and therefore not blocked is just another mistake or deliberate misdirection from you.
Wait how do you download stuff without torrenting?
you can use a debrid service such as real debrid to basically have them dl the torrent and then send you a direct dl link (simplfied explanation). I mainly use real debrid through stremio or kodi addons for streaming shows or movies without torrenting
Usenet
@MonkCanatella that is actually a really good point. I did not think of this.
For movies and tv, there's nothing better than usenet. Eweka or easynews as your provider, with nzb.su, nzbgeek, or drunkenslug as your indexer and you'll never look back. Mix that with radarr/sonarr and it's the best way to download media. Any of the indexers will be like 20-40 buck for life, and eweka/easynews are bout $40 for the year. real-debrid comes out to about $30 per year. All those sites you see that have rapidgator links and stuff like that, real-debrid turns that into an instant download. You can even use it with jdownloader which makes some of the downloads with like 50 different rapidgator links really easy to download.
I am fairly sure you still need a VPN when using these services. Is there an advantage to this over using torrents and streming piracy sites?
You don’t need a vpn with these. Evidence gathered by wiretapping isn’t permissible in court. They need you to send them copyrighted material to sue. At least in the us
I don't live in the US
Ah ok check with a lawyer then
If I could afford one of them then I wouldn't be doing this
ah ok