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[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Photovoltaic panels, windmills, etc aren’t new technology

The big modern efficient and cheap ones are.

More people believed in global warming and climate change in the 90’s than now

I'm looking at a Gallup poll showing 30 percent of Americans worried about global warming in 1990.

Modern day is 61 percent.

collaborated with big oil lobbyists on pivoting to using softer, more nebulous terms to address global warming

Which is a good idea because you get idiots showing up in Congress with a snowball, and was not a term just created out of thin air by big oil.

If we’d been developing and implementing these technologies gradually over the last fifty years,

We have been. Technology and it's development rarely is some targeted thing. Big projects that get results tend to happen only once the base work has been completed and the investment will show hefty returns. The Manhattan project didn't happen until the means to create nuclear power was discovered, for example.

As another big example, most of our ability to have electric cars? It's thanks to cell phone battery research.

Without question these oil companies have stood in the way of progress, but don't think even for a second that we would be in some magic fantasy land if it weren't for them.

All things match along and very frequently the decisions we made are much less impactful than you would think.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

OTOH, demand for something generally increases the amount of funding available for developing the technology associated with that thing. Yes, we're more advanced now than we were in the 70s, but we probably lost a solid twenty-thirty years of demand-driven gradual progress due to regressive administrations prioritizing and subsidizing fossil dependency.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

demand for something generally increases the amount of funding available for developing the technology associated with that thing

As evidence of this, take note of the dramatic decline in the price of photovoltaic power since people actually started investing in it in 2009.

I imagine we'd have had that sort of drop in the late 1980s if we didn't elect the senile movie star.

[-] jasory@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

We can imagine as much as we like. The technology and manufacturing processes simply didn't exist back then.

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