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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can't defeat hamas militarily. They are a terrorist group, they want to be attacked as viciously as possible, because that creates more recruits for them.

Its been proven time and time again and yet every single time these old fucking cranks do not understand that.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Hey, as long as it distracts Israel from his judicial problems and his role in allowing Hamas to rise, it's all good for him.

It is fascinating to me that no one is asking what outcome Hamas was looking for after these attacks. Is no one concerned that Israel is doing EXACTLY what Hamas must have expected them to do? They almost certainly had a plan and doing exactly what the other side expects means your going along with that plan. Hamas had to have known this is what would happen, so this happening is giving them what they wanted: An Israel that is rapidly losing its international mandate while committing atrocities against civilians on center stage in front of the whole world.

[-] Bwaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hamas, following in the steps of the 9/11 attack which caused the USA govt to go into violent idiot mode so the rest of the world would despise it. The only winners in the attacks on civilians are Likud and Hamas, who get more powerful against citizens.

[-] lloram239@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

One theory is that they hoped that other Arab nations would join and attack Israel. That so far didn't happen and so Hamas has to bear the full brunt of Israel's response all by themselves.

[-] lloram239@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You can’t defeat hamas militarily.

Of course you can. You essentially have to. The issue isn't defeating them, but rebuilding afterwards. Deradicalizing Islamic terrorists without a fight is not something anybody knows how to do.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

so, history has shown that the military stuff doesn't really work at fighting terrorist insurgents. Ironically, you have to do the "rebuilding" beforehand, and even then you will eventually need to let some of them go.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

While it's theoretically possible, I don't think this way could achieve it. Keep in mind that while winning would be a plus for Hamas, the only thing they consider vital is for Israel to suffer.

The following magical scenario might have worked: -Hamas committed the atrocity, just like they did, so everyone can see they have it coming. -Magically surgically obliterate Hamas to a man without inflicting violence on any non combatants.

However, Israel is inflicting massive collateral damage, casualties, and blockading. Inciting hatred among a whole generation of people that would be Hamas. Even if you did genocide on the whole area, other people in the surrounding region are likely to take up the Hamas mission in retaliation. An adequately surgical outcome is likely impossible, but it's probable that Israel could have managed somewhat better than they have.

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