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[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Why is BG3 not BioWare if it evolved on its own merits? You don't even have a point you're trying to make. You just want to tell me that I'm wrong. In order for me to be wrong, one of the most influential games ever would have to have zero influence on the development, funding, or reception of Baldur's Gate 3. You don't have any argument because I literally can't be wrong about it.

  • If Larian tried to make a game that wasn't Skyrim, it's still a positive impact that Skyrim had.
  • If Larian wanted to make one of the best RPGs, then they'd have to make it better than Skyrim. Net impact, good.
  • If Larian wanted to make a business case for why they deserved $100M to develop, then they pointed to the success that Skyrim had as validation.

If you think that no one in the 6 years of development compared the game to Skyrim in any way whatsoever or any game inspired by Skyrim, then you have an opinion so dumb that it's not worth talking to you.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Skyrim is not the most influential game ever… you’re timeline is broken by your own ignorance.

I don’t have « a point to make » for someone who’s just spitting nonsense.

You keep repeating the same BS.

I gave you facts you keep ignoring.

  • Skyrim’s and Baldur’s Gate gameplay are nothing alike.
  • Skyrim wasn’t the first nor the most successful game ever.

I gave you historical references that you keep ignoring too.

Not arguments. Facts.

Now live in a fantasy if you want. Why should I care?

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago

You admitted that you don't have a point. Lol. I'm going to go play a rogue/fighter/wizard and fight dragons and have my choices impact the outcome and be a dragonborn and have mods.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Those are things in both games, numb nuts.

Or what about the mother figure in the dark cult of assassins?

Night Mother from Skyrim

Orin's Mother from BG3

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Do you really think Skyrim invented the trope of the Mother figure?

Are you that much illiterate?

For fuck sake, open a damn book.

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

I thought you said the only thing that influenced BG3 was BG1 and BG2. Now I have to read books?

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Play BG1 and BG2 if you can't read...

At this point I'm expecting you to tell me that BG3 copied Skyrim because there are Elves and Dwarfs and Dragons in both of them...

You do realize that the Mother figure in both Skyrim and Baldur's Gate is a representation of Lilith, first wife of Adam and mother of all demons right? Which is a figure at least as old as the fucking Old Testament? Right? Have you ever heard about Dante's Hell?

Now, do you realize how ignorant you look like right now?

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago

I'll bite. Show me the Old Testament RPG where a dead mother figure is standing in a coffin in an assassin cult, and I'll concede. Here's your chance.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I just can’t count how many movies since the very fucking 1900´s got that very fucking scene.

How creative it would be if someone put that scene in an RPG, wouldn’t it? Like « Radio on the Internet » if you can get that joke.

Well, maybe you should start with fucking Diablo 1 then.

Don’t forget to wash your teeth before going to sleep kiddo.

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

So you can't name one. Got it. Lol

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Look, kiddo, let me pontificate for a minute.

You seem like a decent person. A lefty who loves cats? Definitely my jam. But man, you’re just terrible at arguments.

You can’t just spit opinions and expect people with actual knowledge to agree with you.

I get it, you love Skyrim and you want to think it’s a genius piece of art which invented everything. But it’s simply not true. It’s a just a rewriting of very old stories. Like almost every RPGs to be honest - and the books LOTR, and the books GOT, and everything Fantasy really - but that’s not the point.

I simply hope you don’t make political arguments the way you led that conversation, because damn that was bad.

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I didn't even play Skyrim until 2020. I think it's like a B-. You have no idea where I'm coming from opinion wise. I didn't say an opinion. I'm saying that BG3 was influenced by Skyrim. That's all I've tried to say this whole time.

This is legitimately not an opinion that I've tried to convey. It's insane to me that you think the impact is 0.00000%. It's not a coherent thought. It's like saying my uncle didn't have any impact on me because my dad is older than he is.

I'm not arguing an opinion. I am not mad at this or debating a position. I'm stating a fact and am being told it's not a fact. I'm shocked that you don't understand what I'm trying to say. If you think I'm arguing, then you must not understand what I'm trying to say.

If you are upset by what I'm saying, then I am genuinely concerned. I don't know what part of what I'm saying can be so wrong that you feel the best to argue. This is surreal to me. Can you acknowledge what I'm trying to say?

My entire statement is "Skyrim had a non-zero impact on Baldur's Gate 3". Do you understand that is what I'm saying?

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Not one instance then? Huh. I guess you aren't right.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

LMAO

Try opening your eyes wider for a sec?

Or maybe you’re just so unbelievably stupid you don’t even know what the Old Testament is ? Gotta admit « Old Testament RPG » is a fun way to talk about the Bible.

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