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Without knowing who I am talking about, which would you say is closer to your view: If a group fires rockets and kills civilians, is it
A) An act of terror for which the group should be punished
B) A regrettable outcome but permissible because they should have the right to defend themselves
A false dichotomy.
For the purposes of what is going on: one government attacked another government, leading to retaliation. In both cases, civillians were predominantly targeted.
Hamas are terrorists, no doubts about it. But they are also the government of Gaza. And the Israeli Government/IDF/Mossad have been engaging in a slow genocide of a people in what amounts to a concentration camp for decades.
There are no "good guys" in this war. And it is a war. And, like in all wars, it is the civilians who suffer. The Israelis and tourists who were viciously attacked and brutalized. And the Palestinians being used as human shields by Hamas.
And... that is also why a "two state solution" is off the table. Because it will just mean Hamas becomes legitimized and consolidates their power.
But... there is also no situation where the Palestinians survive under the Israeli government.
In current day Israel there are more than 2 million Arab/Palestinians, more than 20% and growing... While in Gaza strip the Jewish population is 0, and won't ever grow...
Before I go off on how that post comes across: What point are you trying to make?
Also, ignoring that there were 214000 Jewish people in the West Bank and Gaza in 2002 and that is unlikely to have reached actual zero (https://www.prb.org/resources/the-west-bank-and-gaza-a-population-profile/), ther are at least the Israeli and other assorted nation hostages. Many of which are Jewish. So...
Also: I believe the IDF's goal at this point is also to make sure the population of Gaza won't ever grow again...
My point was that 2 million Palestinian Israeli citizens live and prosper, though according to "thah genocide" folks, should be gradually disappearing...
And, while I don't have stats, but I believe Palestinians in the West bank under PA rule enjoy higher standard of living compared to Gazans, despite having much less international funds funneled to them - but I may be in the wrong here.
... I mean, that number went down by about 8000 in the past couple weeks. So while that is not in the slightest bit "gradual", they are "disappearing" at the rate at which people can bury or burn the bodies.
Also, isn't customary to wait until AFTER the war to start denying genocide?
I was speaking about Palestinian Israeli citizens, those that live inside Israel, learn in universities in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv/Haifa, work in law, pharmacies, hospitals or retail, pay Israeli taxes etc etc. Not about Gazans or West bank.
It may be a false dichotomy, but it is also two contradictory positions held by the both groups in this conflict.