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Wouldn't a good way to stop that be to stop the bombardment and let in people to take a full accurate tally? Israel would stop to do that if they cared about that number, and yet the bombs keep dropping.
I mean, that street goes 2 ways. Hamas could also release the hostages and surrender. That would also end the bombardment and let in people to take a tally.
Good point. Why are they bombing the place where the hostages are? That seems like they also don't care about the hostages. Are the hostages Palestinian?
Nope, the hostages are from all over the world because Hamas targeted civilians at a music festival.
Unlike IDF who are targeting war assets that are conveniently located beneath schools, mosques, hospitals, and apartments.
Which is why i dont trust Gaza data. They want civilians to die to spread propaganda against Israel so people like you can have talking points.
People like me that care about people? What do you mean people like me?
Sorry, that was rude of me to say.
I mean people that would use that data/story to make Israel look like the aggressor and Palestine the victim, when it is not that black & white.
I don’t want kids on any side to die, but using kids as a shield to hide behind is really shitty. So while i want kids to be safe, my anger is directed at Hamas for using them. Not Israel for fighting a group that massacred it’s people 3 weeks ago.
you don't believe, under the context of thousands of dead kids, there's any right way to perceive Palestine as the victim? There were less kids killed in the Oct 7 attack than there have been since in the West Bank, and they didn't do anything to deserve that. Did they? This all just sounds like collective punishment to me.
Hamas is also committing countless warcrimes.
“1. In order to ensure respect for and protection of the civilian population and civilian objects, the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives…
Meanwhile the International Humanitarian Law clearly states:
“ 1. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
It's often claimed that groups like Hamas and others in areas like Palestine use the proximity of civilians as cover to justify the collateral damage, but Gaza is densely populated and paramilitary groups are part of the civilians. There is no way for them to separate the populations. It's a well known tactic. https://progressive.org/latest/human-shields-excuse-war-crimes-zunes-210617/
PS Just want to add the extra fucked up aspect of looking up information and finding an article from two years talking about the horrific bombing campaign by Israel then, and how the information war is exactly the same now. Nothing ever changes.
Are you not better than Hamas? Nobody here is supporting Hamas? Does this justify the killing of thousands of children?
Have you considered that they have tunnels and shelters under these buildings because they have been bombed by the IDF for decades? Have you seen even a single shred of verification of the military nature of these targets, like munitions, weapons or anything of the sort?
What I'm saying is they have shelters in residential areas because they are bombed in civilian areas by the IDF, so they need shelters everywhere. It's not civilians as air raid shelters, the civilians are everywhere and they are bombed everywhere, there are too many people and too little space for there to be a large distinct separation between the military and civilians in Palestine. The militants are the civilians because there is popular resistance against Israel from Palestine.
I'm saying that Israel is in the wrong and they have the choice to disengage in the conflict and try to create peace. They have not elected to do this in the decades they have had the opportunities. They do not accept the terms that Palestine has put forth. Israel occupies areas that are designated as territory for Palestine based on previous agreements, and they continue to push further and claim more territory in Palestine, pushing their goal of eliminating Palestine as a state. If they withdraw and decrease their blockading of Palestine there would be a reduced risk of terrorism.
You're right, I shouldn't imply it's so black and white, there are a lot of complex aspects to it. Hamas is not all of Palestine, or even the only militant group in Palestine. There is a wide coalition in Palestine against Israel with little hope in peace because they have sought peace in the past with no fruition.