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this post was submitted on 29 Oct 2023
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There people who are literally bordering death by hunger and drinking dirty water probably from the moment their embryo began to form. Malnutrition is proven to led to low IQ. But they all don't go on killings spree, otherwise there would be no-one suffering from hunger anymore.
They don't all do it, they're just statistically more likely to. Being born with everything you need to be happy, healthy, educated and wealthy just makes a person less likely to do something like this, but of course there are exceptions to both sides. The overall point is still that funding programs for peope in need would likely reduce some of these events.
fully agree with that. A lot of crime is just desperation. Given the choice of commiting a crime or living in misery or even dying - you're going to commit a crime.
Are you talking about the type of crime of murdering innocent peope because killer unjustly blames them or type of crime where hungry kid steals bread ? To me at least those those two are not the same category.
I think the answer should be obvious.
I mean the type of crime in part justified by societal inequalities. Not the type where one kills another because they had personal issues
I see so we are no longer talking about the crime in OP. Since that one's motive was unjust revenge.
Nah you are talking about crimes out of poverty which can be robbing stores and can have deaths as side effect etc.
This case is about killing people to murder them. In term of motive It's more alongside the serial killers who enjoy their victims suffering , often have high IQ, seems totaly normal for neighbors and are otherwise living quite comfy life. While this dude was no living comfy, if he was despread with money, he could have steal it but killing randoms to make them "dead" is tottaly different thing than crime out of poverty.
But are you saying this person was a high IQ, normally functioning member of society? Because he clearly was not if the post above is to be believed.
The only point I'm trying to make is that we likely could have stopped this if we gave him what he needed early on. Give him mental health support, financial means to support himself through hardship, training and therapy geared towards his personality and low IQ.
Of course he's still guilty for his crime and the responsibility for his problems is entirely on him, but all those supports could have gone a long way towards preventing this.
Nope you are taking that part out of context. I'm saying he killed because he wanted to kill/ make victims suffer. I never said his IQ was high. I put the pure sadistic nature of his actions in to the contrast of actions taken out of neccesity to survive when someone is desperate.
I compare his actions with serial killers and find them different from crimes out of poverty.
As for prevention, it could or maybe could not work.
Maybe he was simply of sadistic nature regardless of his IQ. We could say that every murder, every crime, any wrongdoing could have been prevented and take a blame for them all. It's kinda true but also not.
My point is that OP meme seems to indicate sociaity was at fault i say killer is at fault. Which you seem to agree as well.
Malnutrition, pollution (particularly lead), chronic anxiety which often manifests as a consequence of abuse, elemental exposure which can happen during heat waves / cold snaps in homes without good insulation or AC/Heating...
It all contributes to degraded cognitive functions, particularly early in life. They also contribute to chronic pain, which can lead to substance abuse. The oxycotin-to-heroin-to-fentanyl pipeline is filled with people who lose access (or never enjoyed access) to traditional medical care, didn't have access to preventative braces and surgeries (dental being a big one), and who suffered workplace injuries they couldn't treat.
All this shit is fixable and preventable. But it requires materials, labor, and some degree of competent administration to achieve. Westerners have been indoctrinated into believing none of this is possible. Its all too expensive. It's all too difficult. There's no one available who you can trust to oversee these projects.
So the problems persist in some of the wealthiest corners of the world that dirt-poor countries like Cuba and Vietnam resolved decades ago.
I'm not sure if you are trying to agree or disagree with my point that there are people who also are in similar bad conditions if not worse who don't go on killing sprea.
As for westerns, west is probably biggest propagator of helping poor countries and sending most humanitarian help out to these malnutritioned people of all nations around the globe. Aside from US westerners have solid social systems which is so good it attracts migrants from poor places in hundreds of thousands. So i dont see it as that bad in comparison to other parts of the world.
There are people who have completely enviable lives and do go on killing sprees. Who can explain what drove OJ to self-immolate like that? Utter insanity.
But that's a separate issue from cognitive decline driven by social factors. If you want a crime wave, you introduce lead into the environment. Its been proven out time and again to spike local crime rates within the next 5-10 years.
The primary form of western aid is military hardware. And this "aid" is often delivered on behalf of a dictatorship attempting to quell a restive populace. Case in point, the top five recipients are:
Number six on the list is Iraq, ffs.
To claim we're "helping" these countries is to imply the demolition of their neighbors and decimation of restive populations is a charitable endeavor.
The primary method by which the US attracts immigrants is our education system. The plurality of US long-term migrants are here on student visas. As foreign countries ramp up their public education spending, migration from these communities falls. Japan used to be a huge source of US immigration, and now its down to a trickle. China used to be a huge source of US immigration, that's also fallen off. India is peaking, with year-over-year migration shrinking since COVID. The Philippines and Indonesia are picking up, but we'll see how long that lasts.
It has nothing to do with our social systems, overall. We have a massively overpriced health care system, which is why medical tourism to India, Taiwan, Canada, Spain, and Mexico remains common place. We don't have good public transit. We don't have good criminal codes or policing, as evidenced by the chronic surging of local crime and the endless exodus to gated remote communities by anyone with the money to afford it.
We're a failing state. Cost of living continues to outpace wages. Speculation is locking larger and larger portions of the population out of home ownership and trapping more of them in medical debt. Elder poverty has been rising year-over-year since the 80s, despite the promise of 401ks and market-based retirement accounts yielding returns consistent with a rising rate of profit. Look at what's happening to the UK. We'll be there in another five to ten years. Some corners of the country - New York, Miami, Chicago, Austin, San Fransisco - are already there.
What this means for our future is anyone's guess. But it ain't gonna be good.
Too long to read mate.
You won't learn if you don't read nuttin'
You won't learn either if you waste time on excessive long opinions and claims on internet forums instead of verified facts.
Most people just accept what is happening to them -> apathy. When people stop being apathetic things start happening, for better or worse. Desperate people usually do desperate things which tends to be bad for everyone involved.
Hard to be motivated when you're starving and literally don't have the energy to live.
Yea, that is suppression, be it intentional or not.
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