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Crazy idea : let's use churches to accommodate homeless people since you can find them fucking everywhere, surely they're not used after 8pm, and that's basically the point of them in the first place, no?
As much as I despise organized religion they aren't fully to blame for the situation. Some of them have really made an effort.
Religion even at its very very best can't do that job. That is why we need the government.
They are if they don’t pay the taxes that would have been used to help with situations such as this.
Most churches can't keep the lights on. For every LDS or RCC there are a thousand places on the verge of bankruptcy. Every atheist I know makes a big deal about the big players but not one has shown me the raw the numbers that proves that if they paid corporate tax rates it would be mean more than a few more cruise missiles used to blow up weddings in Pakistan.
Proposal: taxes that scale with income... You could call it, I dunno, some sort of income tax.
Income tax is paid by church employees. The thing that isn’t taxed is their profits.
Cool. My employer now pays the bulk of my earnings in stock and corporate perks.
Prayer is not a corporate perk ;)
A car is
Yeah agreed. There are some small churches with actually kind people who help the homeless and do good stuff.
Government can’t do that job either. We already have homeless shelters. I don’t know why people talk like this is a new idea. We have homeless shelters in our society. They’re government funded in some cases, or church-funded in other cases.
We still have homeless people. We do provide free shelter and food to people. And we still have people sleeping on the street.
The governments barely do anything, in general not putting more than a token effort into helping.
There’s never enough support for the increasing number of homeless people.
You aren't allowed to do drugs in homeless shelters which is why a lot of homeless people don't use them.
we need places to accommodate them. like how restaurants used to have smoking sections. there should also be access to drug abuse healthcare with no mandate and allow long term residency in shelters, including the ability to receive mail and use it as a legal address for ID documents and employment. if we did all that we could see a fraction of them, perhaps even a large fraction, eventually getting back on their feet and out of the system.
We need the government: to stop blocking housing development
I agree but on no other neoliberal positions. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
I think monks aren't excited about washing off piss in the morning
Then they should provide access to toilets. Where are they going when they want to take a piss? Also isn't helping the poor in anyway they can a charitable act revered by their religion?
I get the idea and I think it's wonderful but have you ever been to a homeless shelter? They need staff to break up fights, protect women, clean up the mess made by drug users and alcoholics, and all sorts of other difficult things your average old lady pew duster isn't capable of dealing with.
Maybe for the Sikhs?
Every major religion reveres helping the needy, for example in Islam, zakat, giving money for charity (if you have enough wealth to afford it) is a requirement.
You are making the mistake of assuming homeless people's actions are rational.
Are you aware that churches do some of the most public outreach for homeless people in the united states?
some of the most?