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Do you think a new party further left would gain serious traction, particularly with the youth? I'd love to see it happen but I have my doubts.
Yes, but it's not possible with first past the post. We desperately need proportional voting, it's the only way we'll break the stranglehold that the DNC and GOP have on US politics.
The lack of Ranked Choice has likely caused untold damage. It has to happen before any other real change can occur.
Happened with Bernie. There are just too many middle aged folks who preferred Biden.
That and the DNC just barely tolerates Bernie. They like him because he attracts actual progressives to the DNC, but if they think he might actually get any kind of control they throw everything they have at crushing him. Look at how many dirty tricks they pulled when he was running against Hillary. I strongly suspect they would kick him out of the party before they actually let him win a primary.
Right. We need a democratic party who would elevate a Bernie Sanders type and not isolate him.
A third party will never work.
That's why Bernie spent like half a century telling people that and motivating younger generations to get involved in the entire political process on a grass roots level. Then slowly replacing the people who are currently running the party.
If that works, then maybe someday that new party would have the votes to fundementally overhaul our political system and get rid of the bullshit private parties.
But until that happens, both the major parties will always care about donations more than anything else.
A new party will always fail in the US, especially when the choice is always against a party that wants to destroy the country
It's happened before. It can happen again. Nothing happens for decades, then decades happen in weeks.
A third party hasn't had a legitimate chance at winning an election in over 100 years.
The US is pretty much a bad election or two from becoming a fascist theocracy, so I sure as hell hope no third party tries to split votes for the democrats.
We're in survival mode now, but hopefully we can ride out the cult and actually have some breathing room to look at other options.
This is true. It's depressing but true. We have to hang on for a few more years. Maybe 2 cycles at the most. The hardcover right wing base is dying. And it is dying fast. I did the math awhile back because nobody else did.
Every single day 8,000 boomers and above die, and 12,000 people turn 18 and those numbers are actually accelerating. If you use existing data to estimate conservative/liberal and likely voters within those groups it works out to a delta of 10,000 per day on a national scale. That's 5,000 votes switching every single day. That might not seem like alot but it's 300k a month, 3.6 million per year, and 7.2 million since the 2020 election. And that pace is accelerating. Between 2020 and 2024 it's a 15 million vote difference. By 2028 it's 30 million. It used to be that people age into conservatism. But that is not happening with millennials. The demographics are changing, and changing quickly.
Their days are numbered. We just have to hold on for a few more years.