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I find a lot of satisfaction in not walking around draped in someone else's skin like a ghoul but idk
I actually think it's weird as shit to kill somebody, peal their skin off of their corpse, soak it in noxious chemicals, and then like make a hat out of it or whatever.
Like seriously that's fucked up, the only reason you don't think that is because you don't recognise the personhood of the creature who's skin you're using.
They feel just like we do, they have families and friends, they play, they explore, they get scared, they feel pain. I don't think they're things to use.
Plus I've seen videos of dogs still alive while they ripped off their skin. I mean they aren't actually even dead before they get brutally hurt with pain no one should ever dare to describe.
They do all of that. But they still make good boots. The world is brutal. Life is brutal. Everything isint daisy’s and rainbows. Ever seen a cat torture a lizard or a bunny for no good reason? That’s just life my guy. Life is death.
This sounds deep but actually is quite shallow thinking.
Life is many things, and can be many more further still. We could strug our shoulders at premature infants "life is brutual babies die" after all, or we could build incubators and give people hope.
We could drive past a car crash "life is death" why bother?
You can justify any monsterous act by looking for the bleakest things in the world and telling yourself it's fine. That's just faulty reasoning, I ask cats for moral guidance and you shouldn't either.
Animal parts have utility. So we use them. You’re crazy to think otherwise.
I just hope you're not like that in real life or otherwise have no friends bro. That thinking is so wrong. What do you even do in the vegan lemmy community with that thinking? 🤮 Where do we get as a society with people like you? It's not even an option for me to use real leather! It doesn't come to my mind! So don't bring it up here. I asked for VEGAN boots! Lots of people suggested nice looking boots (thanks) and as they are sold, there is a demand for vegan boots. Also, I hope that most people buying boots with animal-leather just don't know and need to be shown a brutal video to understand what's actually on their feet.
I don't know if they can see your response because I temp (don't know how to infinitely) banned them a few hours ago. Idk what the deal is with people coming in here feeling the need to be like that and say that, but at least they're not going to be coming back soon
Thanks for helping me out. They drove me nuts
Np. The owner of this community and I are looking for people to help moderate btw. If you're willing to help out and be able to step in when someone like that comes in that would be excellent and most appreciated :)
You don't have to ofc, but you seem to be able to handle those kinds of people with patience and dignity and I would be more than willing to add you as a mod. You can also submit "reports" that I am able to see and action off, that would be really helpful as it took some time for me to see just how many comments that person left after I moved on from the post.
Also, anyone else reading, you are more than welcome to apply to help by dming the owner or I. Much appreciated!
I'd be willing to do it but need to look into how lemmy moderation works. I guess there must be some kind of admin panel to view reported comments? I've been in the support team from vtlog.net so I know how to handle angry people complaining about sth not working but this would be a new challenge! I'm free this week, but I'm of course working so moderating couldn't happen all day but only in the afternoons and on the weekends.
Yep there's a report panel, but nobody has sent a report since I became a mod lol
So the comment threads can get very long before I see them and by then I am less willing to delete an entire thread because there are usually really good replies that I want to stay there. Banning is still on the table though
I get that! I've never reported comments on here because I love open discussions as long as it's on-topic and based on facts I don't see a reason to report stuff. And seeing a mod in my thread means they already read it so no need to report :)
Amazing justification for murder.^/s^ Please stay on topic next time someone asks where to buy clothes...
You know that's not for "no reason"? They do it to stay alive. They don't even kill the animals before they rip off their skin sometimes.
True. I can't imagine a material that is more horrific than skin that isn't yours
Weird. I couldn’t imagine wasting a good hide on nothing.
I’m very skeptical about its durability compared to some good leather, but maybe! I would think that an animal hide would be fully compostable though as well
Go ahead and make me into some boots when I die. The fuck do I care I’m dead better than just rotting in the ground
You know they don't collect the leather after the cows die of natural causes, right?