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[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Anarchist theory almost exclusively talks about political motivated crime they propose will stop when the state and all it's structures are abolished.

Non-political crime they mostly only brush over and suggest the communities will handle it themselves.

So no, they don't have a concept of how people are supposed to protect themselve from crimes that aren't politically motivated.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

That's because you can't over-generalize these things without gausing great injustice in the process.

The communities on a ground level know best how to handle crimes in the community. If you want laws encompassing everyone in every facet of life: go read a bible or something.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

You are advocating for exactly that to happen. Many bible communities would rejoice in anarchy bevause then they can enforce all their fucked up rules again and kids who are born into these communities.... Well, tough luck I guess. Your community on the ground level decided it's okay to burn people as witches who have red hair.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Many bible communities would rejoice in anarchy bevause then they can enforce all their fucked up rules again

Lol no. Absolutely not! Anarchists would be 100% against these kinds of structures, so they wouldn't be allowed to exist.

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[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Many bible communities would rejoice in anarchy bevause then they can enforce all their fucked up rules again and kids who are born into these communities....

Yeah, because religion didn't spread through conquest. /s

Your community on the ground level decided it's okay to burn people as witches who have red hair.

You have a really fucked up image of humanity, do you know that? You do know that Hobbes was wrong with his Leviathan, right?

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Explain to me this: if humanity isn't fucked up and what I suggest wouldn't happen, why is police bad? When people are so great and wonderful and nice and don't abuse their power, why do you dislike police?

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You're proposing a false dichotomy: Humanity has the potential to be caring for each other or to be fucked up and only look out for themselves. It depends on what behavior is fostered in society to see if people in that society are (on average) "fucked up" or not .

I believe that fostering hierarchies of command and control teaches people to be fucked up. That being in a position of power over others fucks yowr brain up to think that you are above them and abuse that power. That is why I dislike hierarchies and by extension: the police.

That is why I believe we should build societies that should question and/or refuse these hierarchies, whenever they appear.

Hobbes believed that people are fucked up "deep down" and therefore, we need a hierarchical state to keep us in line. I think that he got it the wrong way round: That power corrupts us and makes us fucked up.

And I'm sure you know that feeling. That you had some teacher or boss in the past who treated you unfairly, because hey know they would get away with it, because they had a higher rank than you. It's quite a universal experience.

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[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Anarchist theory almost exclusively talks about political motivated crime they propose will stop when the state and all it’s structures are abolished.

You haven't actually read any anarchist theory, have you? This is a fucking joke.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

No, it's actually one of the most problematic points in anarchist theory. How to handle people who are cruel or who do not respect social contracts. The fact that many anarchists want to abolish police but than want to build a structure similar to police or do not discuss the topic at all is showing they don't have a solution.

Stirner for example basically ignores the topic. Kropotkin only addresses crimes which have the state as basis (property and political crime).

Please share which Anarchist theoretist formulated a concrete plan on how to deal with non-political crime in practice.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

How to handle people who are cruel or who do not respect social contracts. The fact that many anarchists want to abolish police but than want to build a structure similar to police or do not discuss the topic at all is showing they don’t have a solution.

Again, you haven't read any theory, have you? Have you really never heard of diffuse sanctions? Stop embarrassing yourself.

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