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Zelensky confirms destruction of major Russian warship
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I mean whether that's the "Kraut & Tea" guy. Just looked up - it is. You might want to google on that, too.
Did you? I'm saying "don't give food to propaganda" and you go on rambling about Russian mindset and how nationalistic they are. Even if true (not really), what does it have to do with the argument? The reason "they are out to get ya" is convincing has absolutely nothing to do with nationality or mindset. If someone comes to you with a recording of your neighbor planning on killing you, you will trust that person more than the neighbor, simple as that.
You're on about why the pro-Russian camp sounds "convincing". It is not for others, it's for the Russians.
Except there is no recording of the neighbour wanting to kill me, you or the Russians. It is mere fabrication that the West wants to destroy Russia and paranoia on the latter's part. And what Russia has done is invading your neighbours' home out of paranoia believing it will secure you. The West had made many overtures and concessions to assure Russian insecurity. Putin accused the West of expanding NATO to include Ukraine. And yet, despite what happened, Ukraine was not promised that they will be allowed to join. The West knows Ukraine is the thin line for Russia and do not want to further escalate than it already has. Declassified British government files from 2000s revealed the Blair government is fully aware of this and they're reluctant to promote Ukraine's membership to the EU; believing the country is in the realm of Russia. The West was also friendly with Putin at the time which added to it.
Like the last video I linked, not understanding the Russian mindset is the blindspot for outsiders and we would do better to do otherwise. Russian imperialism is basically stemming feeling insecure. It's nationalism at the heart of it. Aside from that, nationalism is a tool to control the population. It is not a coincidence that Putin's main rival, Alexey Navalny, was convicted on the day after the Russian invasion of Ukraine while the public is distracted from the news of the conflict.
Russian's current behaviour and national exceptionalism is combination of all these.
Well the comments above say otherwise. The top comment was talking about "not letting authoritarian state gain more power and influence", with which I took issue with, and a few comments down the line that state that it's okay to fuck with Russia. By that same argument, Russia (and quite a few other countries) are completely justified in fucking with you, too. What I'm saying all along is to drop this argument, because the only thing it does is it enables this exact justification and fuels the war.
Russia is authoritarian and imperialistic, because they think history and the outside world have wronged them, and centuries of top down rule ingrained to them that an iron fisted rule will save them and bring glory. They don't need to justify their behaviour to others, they only need to justify it to themselves by fabricating fake outside threats that others are out to get them. Nothing about what I said is contradictory.