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America has always supported fascism abroad; genocide, military coups to overthrow democratic governments, invading countries to conquer land and extract resources.
The thing is though there's usually a clear separation between domestic and foreign policy. Bomb the children in the middle east, not the ones in Los Angeles. Not saying this is right, just that's been the U.S's take in general.
So Trump and domestic fascism is different in a tangible way, it introduces fascism locally, and I don't think individuals or groups that are that openly fascistic will start supporting democracy or proletarian causes overseas.
Voting for domestic fascism as a way to curb fascistic foreign policy approaches probably won't work out too well.
You're taking as given that trump would be more fascist domestically. But why? I mean, it doesn't matter where you genocide someone. So Biden is already reaching the heights of fascism. The only thing more fascist than staging an unjust coup is committing genocide. I don't think it's a bold stance to say that I'd rather see a 2nd J6 than a 2nd Trail of Tears. America is going to come out just fine from the first J6, however the natives absolutely did not come out just fine from the trail of tears.
If the calculus is literally just "vote for the less fascist one", I don't see any way that that's not trump. Biden has already green lit the end goal of fascism to begin with. Hopefully this is the year Americans stand up to our masters though and don't let them lower the bar for president to "not literally helping commit a genocide... Yet." Because I certainly do not have high hopes for the idea of trump actually standing up to our genocidal ally. He is just obviously more likely to do so than Biden.
America is already guilty of one genocide, we need to do everything we can to ensure it doesn't become 2.
To answer your first question, the attempted coup. Biden didn't encourage and rally his supporters to storm Congress. He doesn't have the backing of white nationalists and neo-Nazis. Trying to seize power domestically via a group of fascists is more domestically fascistic than not doing that.
Also, even if Trump suddenly becomes a leftist ally and pulls out all U.S involvement in Israel, they'll still be genociding Palestinians. You can't put literally 100% of the blame of the Palestinian ethnic cleansing on the U.S, when it was actually started originally by British imperialism and is perpetuated by the terrorist state of Israel.
Voting for Trump as a vote against fascism seems wildly misinformed to me. The first Trump presidency already stacked the Supreme Court enough to overturn Roe. If he becomes President again, it's well within the realm of possibility that he pardons Jan 6th offenders, pardons himself, and they seize power permanently in the U.S.
I get your hope that while we're all being subjected to a new fascist dictatorship, that somehow his pure leftist heart changes the behavior of the imperial core and we pull out of Israel, but even if that happens Palestinians will still be genocided. We'll just also have more sociopolitical regression (gay/trans people will be outlawed, the bit of social services we have will be gutted, capitalist exploitation will reach new heights, etc.)
I think US support is critical to Israel being able to genocide, and without it, it may not be capable of genocide at all, given the politics of the region as a whole. Iran wouldn't stand idly by (not that they're necessarily allies against genocide, but for their own interests). I don't know what trump would do, but he did pull us out of Afghanistan, and his politics aren't as tied to the elites' interests as Bidens are. Trump cant profit off the genocide or anything, and he does seem to be somewhat anti war in cases he can't profit off of it. Sure, he might attempt another coup, but that seems favorable to doing nothing while our government aids in a genocide. I'll take a 2nd J6 over a 2nd trail of tears any day.