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You should already hate faith. Faith is what the religious use to justify doing nothing themselves.
Hell, faith is the reason half of them are sitting around hoping for Armageddon...
faith is what i have in my wifes love for me. i dont want to hate faith, just its abuse.
I view it as confidence.
@originalucifer faith is conviction in the absence of knowledge and that is down right scary.
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til, thanks!
Well said
I desperately hope there is sound, logical evidence for your wife's love.
There is nothing but sophistry and basic philosophy to back religious faith. Religious faith ultimately only comes from peoples' need for meaning. A basic desire can pull people in all sorts of silly directions if all they do is try and sate it.
Capital-F Faith is directly contrary to science and reason. It's believing things to be true without question or proof.
You can be spiritual and also be a logical person who listens to reason and science. But when you devote your entire worldview to Faith, then you should absolutely NOT be in a position to make decisions that affect other people's lives.
It's worse than that. It's believing things despite contrary evidence. It's why you can never win any "debate" with believers. They literally believe that you telling them they're wrong proves that they are right.
My faith is in the fact that the world is created anew with the appearance of age every Thursday. We don't notice because we are created with memories of an entire history. But we are fooled, and each week the world gets stranger and stranger.
If I were to govern under this faith, I wouldn't bother planning anything longer than a week. I'm sure they wouldn't respect my freedom of religion, then.
Yeah I’m religious (syncretic neopaganism), but seeing as I live in the real fucking world where there’s plenty I don’t know I have to assume that part of what I don’t know is the nature of divinity. And I’m certainly not so damn confident in my religion to force people to it. I’m only that confident in the scientific method as a means of seeking truth.
In evidence we trust.
The Bible itself defines faith as: "Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen."
And "demonstration" can also be translated as "convincing evidence".
So faith would be something like having a friend who is a good mechanic that likes helping people, and him telling you that if you ever need help on your car he's offering to help.
You have faith that he is able to see his offer through and fix your car, even though you've never seen him work on any car before.
I think most people today would call that trust, and the word faith has become synonymous with "blind faith", which is what you described with
I'm not trying to say you're wrong or anything, as languages do change over time. But I think it's fair to recognize those differences in definitions.
Faith is just trust. To do anything at all involves some element of faith. To have no faith would turn a person into a deranged control freak. The problem is not faith but religious organizations who try to warp "have faith" into "don't ever use your own intelligence to second guess what we say."
No, faith is more than trust. Faith is trust that you do not verify. Why? Because every time people say they "have faith", it is distinctly about something they cannot or will not verify. 99.99% of the time, it's "will not".