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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

being vegan doesn't help the planet at all.

[-] amzd@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

How does reducing land and water use through your food choice not help the planet?

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

it doesn't actually reduce the use.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Please don't tell me you're gonna bring up the stupid soy fields in the rain forest argument :'D

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

being vegan doesn't stop soy from being grown in rainforests

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

exactly, because almost 100% of that soy is for meat production

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

environmental destruction continues whether you are vegan or not.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

also what part of my comment prompted you to post that random response?

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

yep due to the meat industry keeping going regardless of a fairly small demographic quitting their products

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

so maybe you should stop lying to people about being vegan helping the planet.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

It does, if enough people did it.

You're so angry lol

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

what makes you think you can tell anything about my emotional state?

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

It does, if enough people did it.

do you have a plan to make that happen? how many people is enough?

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Are u moving goal posts to feel like you're winning something or genuinely expect the comment section in an online forum to solve societal issues?

Less meat produced = better.

How much more better things could be a different wat is irrelevant; using that as an excuse to never do anything is actually damaging.

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[-] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

You are making the false assumption that your consumption is causative to the production of animal products which is, unfortunately and non-intuituvely, untrue. The only difference between vegan and non-vegan diets is whether animal products end up on your plate vs. in "cheese mountain" type stockpiles, exports, landfills, etc.

That being said, 'commie' is a terrible communicator if that's what they're trying to say. Going vegan does help to highlight some of the contradictions of capitalism and you're on the right track as it should be advocated for. However, the 'invisible hand of the free market' does not translate veganism to any reduction in farmed animals, land or water use.

[-] amzd@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

“If you don’t buy it a company will throw it away instead” is not a very good argument to buy something if you even believe it to be true at all.

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[-] java@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago
[-] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

It takes less land and water to feed someone wheat, soy or corn than to feed them beef, chicken or pork.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

what crops that are fed to beef chicken and pork are parts of plants that people won't eat for the most part. The same fields that grow the soybeans we use for oil are growing soybeans that are used as feed. The same soybeans that are used for oil are used for feed.

[-] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

This is sometimes true. However, e.g., about 4% of the farmland in California is used for alfafa, which is just for livestock. Alfafa is also a very water intensive crop.

Additionally, there are other uses that livestock corn feed could be put to if there weren't so many damn cows, so it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

I don't think there is a better use than making food. I'm fine with that.

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