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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

being vegan doesn't help the planet at all.

[-] amzd@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

How does reducing land and water use through your food choice not help the planet?

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

it doesn't actually reduce the use.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Please don't tell me you're gonna bring up the stupid soy fields in the rain forest argument :'D

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

being vegan doesn't stop soy from being grown in rainforests

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

exactly, because almost 100% of that soy is for meat production

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

85% of global soy is pressed for oil. the vast majority of the soy that's fed to animals is the industrial waste from that process.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Wheree do you get your numbers from?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254608/soy-production-end-uses-worldwide/

They seem off my guy.

Weird to not provide real numbers for someone calling me a liar

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

i can't click your paywalled link

here's what the UN's FAO says

oil is 17.2%. since a soybean is only about 20% oil to begin with, you need to crush 85% of all soybeans to get that much oil. do you see how the vast majority of what is fed to animals is called "soy meal" or "soy cake"? that's the industrial waste from processing soybeans to oil.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Its statista, they limit traffic. Try a different browser.

Btw funny you link OWID, you should read their article. It doesn't mention the feed as a side product of oil production, and I'm having trouble finding your quote.

Even if its 100% true and just not mentioned in any articles on the matter, then I guess large scale veganism still only removes loads of industrial processes/co2 production, unspeakable animal abuse and insane amounts - and i mean ludicrous amounts - of wasted drinking water.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I guess large scale veganism still only removes loads of industrial processes/co2 production, unspeakable animal abuse and insane amounts - and i mean ludicrous amounts - of wasted drinking water.

that has never happened.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Thats the problem.

Global consumption and production are increasing

Do. You. Follow?

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

environmental destruction continues whether you are vegan or not.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

also what part of my comment prompted you to post that random response?

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

yep due to the meat industry keeping going regardless of a fairly small demographic quitting their products

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

so maybe you should stop lying to people about being vegan helping the planet.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

It does, if enough people did it.

You're so angry lol

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

what makes you think you can tell anything about my emotional state?

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Cuz youre lying about a very emotionally charged topic and calling me a liar. If you were not emotionally engaged, youd simply point out the data.

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[-] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

You are making the false assumption that your consumption is causative to the production of animal products which is, unfortunately and non-intuituvely, untrue. The only difference between vegan and non-vegan diets is whether animal products end up on your plate vs. in "cheese mountain" type stockpiles, exports, landfills, etc.

That being said, 'commie' is a terrible communicator if that's what they're trying to say. Going vegan does help to highlight some of the contradictions of capitalism and you're on the right track as it should be advocated for. However, the 'invisible hand of the free market' does not translate veganism to any reduction in farmed animals, land or water use.

[-] amzd@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

“If you don’t buy it a company will throw it away instead” is not a very good argument to buy something if you even believe it to be true at all.

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[-] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

It takes less land and water to feed someone wheat, soy or corn than to feed them beef, chicken or pork.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

what crops that are fed to beef chicken and pork are parts of plants that people won't eat for the most part. The same fields that grow the soybeans we use for oil are growing soybeans that are used as feed. The same soybeans that are used for oil are used for feed.

[-] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

This is sometimes true. However, e.g., about 4% of the farmland in California is used for alfafa, which is just for livestock. Alfafa is also a very water intensive crop.

Additionally, there are other uses that livestock corn feed could be put to if there weren't so many damn cows, so it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

I don't think there is a better use than making food. I'm fine with that.

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