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Israeli airstrikes kill 80 in Palestinian refugee camp
(www.theguardian.com)
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The intention is the same, the justification is different. You'd need to be blind to not see that.
It's not like they weren't murdering people on the ground before the raid took place. They are still doing it right now, but you'd rather not acknowledge that.
Lets be clear on one thing, both sides were killibg people long before this. No side in this conflict is innocent, no side is fighting purely for freedom, no side is right.
Still, I see a difference in a military bombardement, where civilians were warned to leave the area beforehand and a suprise raid in which civilians and children were the only targets and people were raped abducted and tortured.
If you do not see that difference (without condoning either), it is you who is blind.
Does Russia get points for telling Ukrainians to leave before they started shelling? Invaders more often than not, tell civilians to flee (least of the reasons is to inflict economic disruption to their adversary).
One side has the vast majority of resources, the other is a refugee in their own home.
So for you being a "refugee in their own home" makes it ok to deliberately murder civiluans, women and children, rape and abduct?
Analysis isn't justification. For example, the book "Lord of the Flies" doesn't try to justify the terrible nature of kids but serves as a warning when you have an incredibly young society without moral leadership. And that's about where we're at with this situation.
The stupid lie that civilians were the primary target is still a lie, and is still stupid. Hamas has taken videos of it's members destroying tanks and other armored units, and stealing some of them during the raid. Before the raid Hamas got Gazans who were willing to fight to go with them too, and those radicals most likely are the ones who targeted civilians, Hamas militants may have targeted civilians too, but civilians weren't the primary target.
So you think that this one raid is worst than the many that are carried out routinely against Palestinians? Or are we gonna just ignore those for now?
The difference is that the IDF can do these stupid things to save face, while Hamas cannot. The difference between typical terrorist groups and the IDF/whole "Israeli" government has always been their capabilities.