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Your man is a genocider. He's automatically a no-go; try again, settler.
I think you're confusing Biden for Hamas or Netanyahu, both of which have advocated for genocide of the other.
Biden's stance on Israel has been no different than Bernie's. And that's probably because the situation in the Levant is more nuanced than you understand.
How I know you're a settler unfit for dialogue on this topic. It's not 'nuanced'; it's been a genocide since 1948-- and the only people with an investment in portraying it any other way are colonizers. Biden has sent the colonizers material aid, has sent them money and care packages, hasn't disavowed them, and has made no real inroads to a ceasefire. He is complicit. So are you for trying to cape for it.
Realistically, the US Government is going to continue supporting Israel no matter what happens until the US has meaningful voting reform. Israel is an entrenched interest due to the amount of money changing hands in Washington. (defense contracts, etc.) This is not helped by the social stigma of the average American not differentiating between Israel as a political entity and Jewish people as a demographic. It's one of those "broken by design" social constructs.
The logical fallacy that I largely see in play is the assumption that the Republicans would have handled this any differently. While I agree that Biden's stance is noteworthy, as a reminder that the parties are more alike than they are different on certain topics, it doesn't change the landscape of the two leading presidential candidates. One of them is in bed with Putin and appears to have a vested interest in entrenching himself as a leader who can never lose an election. (i.e. an aspiring president for life) The other candidate is still flawed, but doesn't represent an existential threat to the political institution itself.
I'd much rather have an option other than Trump or Biden, but until more states enact voting reform at a local level we're stuck with a choice of which decrepit old man is least likely to be disruptive to the entire system of government. The Republican party needs to continue its losing streak until it decides the populist authoritarian movement is a failed strategy.
"buh buh buh you gotta pick one genocidal bastard settler or the other you can't just abstain" trick watch me. If the maintenance of any state, the one in which I live, or an ally of it mandates that I support a genocidal settler bastard, then I believe that state deserves to die. I don't believe in "maintaining the losing streak"-- in fact, I'm convinced it's a matter of one hand washing the other. The GOP deadlocks so the DNC can shrug, go "eto, bleh; guess we can't change anything" and the can gets kicked down the road for another four years. Fuck outta here.
"buh buh buh the government deserves to die and everyone living in the country must suffer because my feelings are hurt"
Yeah, I know you have a lot more to say than that, but the caustic and reductionist debating angle goes in both directions. A very merry fuck you as well, sir.
If you want my support, maybe don't support genocidal settler-colonials. You don't get to reframe the grievance when you and yours have always been the ones in wrong. It's especially funny to me that you argue your point in support of somehow cajoling me to return to propping up the settler-colonial empire, when from my perspective, the death of the settler-colonial empire is likely the only way the rest of the people of this earth get to survive the impending climate disaster we continue to court.
tl;dr I am most emphatically not on your side, and never will be, regardless of whether or not I get to escape this hellscape before what has been sewn gets reaped.