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this post was submitted on 21 Nov 2023
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That's an American thing.
This. In Canada, most drug testing is considered a violation of rights and freedoms because your employer should not have a say in how you live your life. There are exceptions for high risk jobs where an impaired worker could cause death by negligence.
Bingo. If my boss asked for my piss I’d go straight to HR. Americans put up with so much insane stuff when it comes to work.
Which is crazy when you think about all the people that migrate to the US for jobs/opportunity. Makes you wonder how bad it is in other places.
In some cases it is, yes, worse. But in many cases it's just the press the Americans spew about themselves living in the "land of the free" while the jackboots march in unison ever closer.
I can understand the high risk jobs one and think that’s fair. In the town I grew up in some factories would do drug test as a way to fire people with cause instead of having layoffs. A few were more seasonal work, so once seasons changed and demand dropped then more drug testing started.
It’s also an insurance thing. Drug testing programs are expensive, but the insurance companies incentivize it with huge discounts. It turns out that people who don’t do drugs are less accident prone and are usually a bit healthier too. This explains why US hospitals frequently test for tobacco use. It has nothing to do with the legality of use. This is why even with weed getting legalized many companies will still test for it.
People who do drugs are less accident prone?
Dammit. Fixed. Thanks!
And insurance is also the reason that you will have to pee for workman's comp claims regardless of whether or not your company has a testing policy.
Thry test for tobacco use at hospitals?
You mean they test patients? Or employees?
As a smoker I’ve never heard of this. Also it’s legal so why not just admit to it?
Legally, where I live, healthcare workers have to change out of their scrubs, and leave the hospital/clinic area to have a smoke - as smoke can severely impact some patients health, and even residue on clothing has been shown to have a statistically significant impact.
They test employees. It’s often hospital policy that their employees do not smoke, and while I’m sure they dont like the look of nurses and doctors smoking on hospital grounds, its really that the hospital gets a big discount on employee health insurance.
Weird. Most of the paramedics and EMTs I know smoke. Of course they are not actual hospital employees.
It's also a getting federal money thing. Lots of grants or federal funds provided require drug tests, or having been tested.
I would love to see the correlation between alcoholism and accidents. Bet that crowd is way more accident prone.
I guess, only the Us of America even.
It specifically found the opposite in safety-sensitive positions.