Check this out: https://lemmy.world/comment/5503906

Lmao, do your research before commenting stuff like that.

• https://support.hp.com/ee-en/document/c06045012 (variant Intel Core i5-8500T)
• https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/129941/intel-core-i5-8500t-processor-9m-cache-up-to-3-50-ghz.html

TDP 35 W Thermal Design Power (TDP) represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active under an Intel-defined, high-complexity workload. Refer to Datasheet for thermal solution requirements.

Here's how things look on the HP model above:

  Model name:            Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8500T CPU @ 2.10GHz
    BIOS Model name:     Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8500T CPU @ 2.10GHz To Be Filled By O.E.M. CPU @ 2.0GHz
    BIOS CPU family:     205
    CPU family:          6
    Model:               158
    Thread(s) per core:  1
    Core(s) per socket:  6
    Socket(s):           1
    Stepping:            10
    CPU(s) scaling MHz:  23%
    CPU max MHz:         3500.0000
    CPU min MHz:         800.0000

Obviously that thing wont be running at base frequency while idling. Here is one if units right now:

analyzing CPU 0:
  driver: intel_pstate
  CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0
  CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 0
  maximum transition latency: 4294.55 ms.
  hardware limits: 800 MHz - 3.50 GHz
  available cpufreq governors: performance, powersave
  current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 3.50 GHz.
                  The governor "powersave" may decide which speed to use
                  within this range.
  current CPU frequency is 800 MHz.

See, it scales down to 800Mhz with a watt meter I remember it translated to idling at around 10-11W.

I never said it was better than a Pi, I just said the difference is not worth it and you're still ignoring the fact that i5-8500T will be able to do a LOT more work than the RPi5 could do while keeping the CPU bellow or at 2.1 GHz - not surpassing the 35 W TDP.

I’ve got a million keyboards, mice, monitors, cables, chargers, adapters, etc.

Sure, you do. But people just starting likely do not. I'm thinking of the new user, not just myself.

Hell, I bought a few Pis on sale for $5 each years ago. How is that PC going to beat five bucks, 2 watts max, for my given use-cases (things like Pi-Hole, Vaultwarden, Joplin, etc)?

For that you don't even need a Pi 5. You can get a cheap SBC at around $10-20 to do that work.

Yea, to replace my Pis would be about $30 each, but they’d fit in the same place, and migration is a snap.

And you are assuming people are only buying new boards to replace old boards.

but you keep going on like it’s just the better device.

"Keep going on"? I've mentioned it maybe 2 times, that's hardly enough to classify it as "keep going on".

I just don't believe that Raspberry Pi or SBCs are the king(s) of home servers anymore. There are a lot of cheap x86_64 based options out there. But yes, if you just upgrade from a previous generation the Pi 5 is perfect for you, even though it's likely overkill for your use-case.

My brother in christ. A used PC has powersupply, case, storage and cooling. This is about the basic kit you need for a proper pi5 experience. You can very easily hit the 100 dollar mark.

Also, most of the used business PC will have 8G RAM, which would put your little ARM funsies up to the $130 budget range.

And you would still only have 4 shitty cores, no expandability.

Oh his point stands, as soon as you add a case and a power adapter/cable you're near 100$.

Fair enough 😂