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Transgender players banned from international women’s cricket by ICC
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No it's not "facts." It's your acceptance of bigoted and chauvinistic ideas about women and men based on outdated stereotypes. Men are NOT inherently stronger than women are, and I've even go so far as to suggest that women are many times stronger in the realms of emotional stability and reliability than men could ever be. You can have whatever bigoted ideas you want - but dont try and pass them off as "facts" just because you were never taught any other way to see the world.
Nope. Actual. Measured. Performance metrics. Are. Facts.
We're talking about sports here - men, on average, have more muscle mass than women, on average, have. So in most sports men will have a higher average and peak performance than women with otherwise the same physiology. This isn't to say that men are better than women, they simply have a higher physical capacity in this regard.
If your idea of strength is only measured by muscle mass instead of by qualities like perseverance and speed and agility, then it's true that men have an edge over women. I happen to think that strength can be measured in other ways.
That's not my idea, no - but different sports are biased in different ways. Something like a shot put is all about raw muscle mass while billards is all about fine motor control and spacial reasoning. No skill is more valuable than another but certain sports and competitions emphasize different things.
In most competitive sports, men do have an edge because they're sports that men were traditionally good at.
I believe men only have the edge in being "traditionally good at" some sports because women were excluded from them for so long. Not because women are inherently weaker. And (this isn't about your comments) again I state that it's imbecility to say that transgender males have some kind of an "edge" over other athletes - suggesting that being trans imbues you with all these amazing supernatural athletic abilities!
I still say that sports is about one thing only - all people of all walks of life having the right to participate.
Just to clarify, transmen are almost never an issue people care about. This debate is usually focused on transwomen who may have even gone through puberty before transitioning.
If we accept that cismen have more muscle mass than ciswomen and that transitioning, physically, is a gradual process then there are two questions 1) after transitioning will transwomen ever be indistinguishable from ciswomen when it comes to sports and 2) how quickly does that happen.
We've only got a few pretty flawed papers to go by but they say that ciswomen and transwomen will always be distinguishable when it comes to sports. If those papers are wrong then it'd still be good to know how long it takes and what factors effect it (I.e. it's likely that someone who fully went through puberty will take longer to adjust to the new hormones).