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I can't read the article, what did she say?
Nothing that any sane, educated human would view as antisemitic. Anti-Netanyahu, sure. Anti war-crimes, yes. Pro hamas, no. Pro peace, yes
This is not an anti-jewish stance at all.
""" You don’t have to be Palestinian to care about what’s happening in Gaza. I stand with Palestine. No one is free until everyone is free. https://t.co/23JHFbuf5K — Susan Sarandon (@SusanSarandon) November 4, 2023 """
edit: these->this
This is some of what she said:
Newsweek:
Guardian:
There is nothing offensive there. She's right, those attacking her are just vehemently against honest conversation about this issue.
This is similar to the idiocy of the Red Scare, where anything less than "I LOVE MARKET CAPITALISM BECAUSE SUPPLY SIDE JEEBUS TELLS ME SO!" made you a blacklisted, ostracized filthy commie pinko.
Except, you know, "standing with Israel" no matter how many war crimes their well funded government and military commits against mostly children with nothing because of a terrorist attack most Palestinians had nothing to do with.
I'll just leave this here:
https://m.thewire.in/article/world/chart-6407-palestinians-and-308-israelis-killed-in-violence-in-last-15-years
Way more Palestinians died in 2023 than Israelis. What even is this graph?
This data is from october, shortly after the beginning of the conflict and the instigating Hamas attack, before Israel really started their onslaught.
I haven't found a more up to date graph, but it makes the point of who's been getting killed in the last 15 years. People respond more to graphs than words.
What are talking about?! She's implying that Jews in the United States are somehow responsible for the treatment Muslims have faced in the country, in the backdrop of an Israeli conflict. At least she thinks they should be feeling something similar. How is she right that she should say Jews in the US should be made to feel like that? What's the connection? "Nothing offensive," as well as her remarks show you who the real haters are.
Your chart doesn't make it all better either.
Does she say they should be made to feel that way, or they are feeling that way? It seems an observation, not accusation or prompt for action (beyond stopping hostile actions towards Palestinians).
I hear you. But she doesn't buffer her language, at least not that the article mentions, on either side to make it sound more academic. It's clear to more than just me that she said something wrong. And didn't say enough right.
Except you have mischaracterized what she said. So it's not clear whether you have an axe to grind and are being deliberately misleading, or if you just blindly follow people who do.
She was dropped by her agency, had others explain to her what she said was hurtful, and ultimately she apologized. She got it wrong. Any mischaracterization here is simply irrelevant. I can see where she got it wrong; there are other ways to state what she said. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
My interest in this story does not support the amount of effort it would take to argue with you. You clearly care more about this than me, which, again, indicates you have a particular agenda.
You have inaccurately described what she said, based on the quote you described. I don't give a shit about Susan Sarandon, or her agency or Israel or Palestine for that matter. I oppose genocide and terrorism, and fascism and politically motivated character assassination. I'm not in a position to comment on who she is as a person, and I have no influence on the violence and conflict.
I'm in a comment section replying to a person who is pushing an agenda. That's what I've said, and unless you have something else to offer other than "Other people agree with me, trust me bro," then you can just stop now.
To people with privilege, a taste of equality tastes like oppression.
Muslims are one of our many groups of second class citizens in the US.
Christians have and continue to enjoy social privilege here. Many equate it with morality, barf.
I was raised Roman Catholic, and I'm well aware that privilege is extended to the Religious Jewish community because our Christian imaginary sky dictator needs the follower's of the Jewish imaginary sky dictator to stand in a specific spot, presumably not while standing on one foot while rubbing their stomachs, so the Christian Imaginary dictator can end the world... but you know, in a good way or something.
And yeah, that social privilege is NOT extended in any way to the people that worship the Mulsim imaginary sky dictator.
I don't care what pokemon you worship, but it needs to stop being taken seriously by the actual world outside of your own worship. The minute you're willing to oppress, imprison, attack, or otherwise murder others for the sake of your favorite pokemon, and I really don't care which pokemon, Buddha, Thanos, Yahweh, Raichu, Allah, Magicarp, Vishnu, Jehovah, whatever... just fuck you.
On a side note, that imaginary sky dictator, gaslighting 'us' into believing that the end of the world is a good thing, really reads capitalism vibes. I only relatively recently realised how deeply capitalism needed to imbed itself to really take off. It needs oppression, it needs war, it needs homelessness and joblessness, it needs racism, it needs misogyny, and so many of those systems are built using a bible (that is against most of that) to enforce it.
That's a lot of words to not know she said something wrong. Go on, cover up hers and yours. You're both wrong.
Lol
I don't understand what's so funny. You're the one that just used Pokémon to try and explain religion. What's funny to me is all these people with no skin in the game with all these bad takes. I thought we didn't need to hear people 'splain things...
You're right, I was wholly unfair.
Few to none have killed or been killed in the name of Pokémon's lore, it wasn't fair to lump it in with the absolutely blood soaked Abrahamic lores.
And being a human watching humans being killed every day, using superstitious nonsense as validation is my skin in the game. I think humans being killed day after day is more important than defending one's or attacking in the name of one's favorite superstitious nonsense. Why don't you?
Also I laughed because your response to my response on a text based communication platform was basically You used too many words, therefore you don't have a point. You might as well have said my point was invalid because simon didn't say.
See I read what she said as saying is to people who are familiar with fear, understand that is how these other people feel too. And that's because people can't connect with others, well, but if you draw a similarity, then they can connect and care. And she very clearly says, no one should feel that way. Multiple times. You can't take just a small part of what someone says, because that takes it out of context and can entirely change the meaning.
How tf you misunderstand something so badly?
https://archive.ph/WCzoO